Clarification Needed: Doom Doors

The description seems to imply that it's about a specific stock sound effect, the one that Doom used for its doors. The final paragraph mentions a number of other stock sound effects used in Doom, but no clear indication that this has anything to do with the trope.

While most of the examples are directly referring to the door sound itself, a number of them refer to other sound effects from Doom, and a few refer to completely unrelated sound effects that just happen to show up in more than one place.

So which is it? If it is supposed to be just about the Doom Doors sound, as the name and descprtion imply, then we can probably just trim the examples, and maybe excise that last paragraph from the description. If it's supposed to be just any example of "hey, I've heard that sound before", then it would need a new description and probably a new title. But I think that would probably be more or less just Stock Sound Effects. If it's supposed to be any recurrences of sound effects that just happen to appear in Doom... well, I don't think that's a trope.

Calling it "The sound effect of the doors in Doom" and then saying, "oh, but hey, it's really just a stock door sound and it's been used in lots of things since long before Doom used it" is kind of backwards.

Anyway, I chopped out the chunk about the other stock sounds that Doom uses a lot, and cut the examples of them. If the page is about the sound the door makes, the "Imp Dying" sound effect doesn't belong on it.

edited 3rd Oct '10 12:42:55 PM by Madrugada

^ Caught and deleted one Imp fireball you missed, o foxy mod.

Anyway, going by that page, only one of the examples (Jonny Quest) actually predates Doom. And it looks like Jonny Quest only used it once, compared to the repeated use in Doom. The name seems fine, so it would probably work to add a note to that example saying it's the Ur-Example.  ^*

The imp fireball sound seems to be as prevalant as the door sound. Rather than just cutting the examples, would they be worth listing on their own page?

Looking at the amount of examples on Stock Sound Effects, it seems there's a lot we should split out and I'm saying that as a hardcore lumper. They're disorganized in a way I don't think that can be fixed with them sharing a page.

I cut them because they don't belong on a page about the door sounds. If you want to make another page for them, YKTTW is —-> that way. Go for it.

Noting that Jonny Quest appears so far to be the Ur-example is a good idea. But since Jonny Quest wasn't a big budget production, it was probably already a stock sound effect before that. The difficulty in proving that is going to be in finding anything about which library had it, and what other works used it.

^ On it.

Is anyone sure the sound was used on Johnny Quest? It seems odd to me that there's a twenty-some year interval with no examples.

Edit: I suppose it could be the Tropers Are Young Nerds thing not giving us enough older examples.

edited 4th Oct '10 9:40:12 PM by macroscopic

We'd need to know if the example comes from the 60s series or the 80s series (I'm assuming that it's not from the 90s show, which has a separate page).

Just because it has a separate page doesn't rule it out. People often link the name they think is right especially if they don't differentiate like this one. Most people still think of the 90's show as Jonny Quest.

edited 5th Oct '10 10:11:06 AM by shimaspawn

Yeah there are three Jonny Quest's to deal with. We need to do something about that. I suppose we could solve this by someone emailing the folks who made Doom and asking if they have any record of what sound library they used and which effect number the door sound was.

From what I've been able to find it's the Sound General series.

If it's "Sound General", that eliminates the 60's Jonny Quest — Sound Ideas only released their first library in 1978. The first use of the name "Sound General" for a sound effects library was in 1992 — too late for the 1980's Jonny Quest revival, but in time for Doom to be one of the first works to use it.

Which means that calling it something relating to Doom is probably ok.

I'd still prefer a context word — Doom Doors SFX? Doom Doors Fwoosh?

edited 5th Oct '10 11:54:49 AM by Madrugada

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