Young Justice

He changed his face to resemble hers.

Edited by Envyus on Aug 28th 2019 at 1:52:53 PM

Which is pretty insulting to the Gorilla.

Zing!

After watching the second to last episode, I'm starting to think of Metron as a Foil to Jace. Jace started out acting all motherly to Violet but became hateful after realizing her true nature. Metron otoh started out acting all cold and clinical to Victor but eventually comes to see both Violet and Victor as family.

It highlights just how awful Jace is — a New God who is so detached that even other New Gods can't stand him is more capable of genuine empathy than she is.

Edited by M84 on Aug 28th 2019 at 11:37:50 PM

Ha.

Problem is, his family are still lab experiments to him.

The presence of the Legion means that in making this season's happy ending our heroes probably fucked up royal.

I mean, as usual, but still.

Amusingly this would be the second time time travellers come back to fix our heroes' screw ups. Another potential thing: skewing the prejudice pendulum the other way. In the present, we have metas fighting for their right to be considered equal. The Legion come from a future where metas are more or less in charge and only metas are legally allowed to be heroes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2019 at 9:18:07 AM

Ya know its funny but the only Brainiac 5 design I like is the one from the Legion cartoon.

Seriously after watching that I could never stop thinking that his regular "plain man but with green skin" look as trifle-fully boring.

Personally the lights plan would have been worse. Also while I loved the season the light is WAY to functional. In season 2 considering how deep undercover Kaldur was he should have gained enough evidence to fucking bury the light or at least cripple them for years (ie they could find proof of what lex did to Roy).

They’re all very different people which makes some disagreement inevitable and considering that they’re power hungry psychopaths that should mean even more tension. Having them work together despite that would also make it more impressive

The Light has replaced half it's membership.

Queen Bee and Lex were not involved much in season 2 and no proof was even obtained about it.

While I know how this will play out, I still think not telling Brion about Tara might've been for the best in the grand scheme. Or, well, given all the available information. They needed time to defuse the tyke bomb and Brion lacks tact.

I'd probably say I liked season 1 more than season 2, and this one more than both of them, but it's been awhile since I've watched the first two. I will agree with the sentiment that this felt tamer than expected; the Anti-Life Equation was dealt with in just the first episode.

It was brought up before, and I really don't get "Wally hasn't come back" as a legitimate criticism.

I blame people too emotionally invested in the "Spitfire" ship.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if part of that whole sequence in the penultimate episode was to tell the audience "Everyone...let it go already."

Also, as expected, there's totally a ton of "Brion didn't do anything wrong! The others are all just to naïve!" going around.

Like, ignoring whether killing is every justified, or at least unavoidable, I feel like "don't kill people you can restrain without doing so" is a very simple principle, and one is should be pretty obvious why heroes would ascribe to.

But, for some people, apparently that isn't obvious.

I think part of the Wally hasn't come back grievance might be based on how he's been crapped on in the comics.

Kaldur had access to the inner circle. Even if Lex was hands off he could have found SOMETHING.

Though to be fair I don't imagine many people in his country are going to be all that broken up over the at the time prince executing a war criminal who killed the previous king and queen who seemed to be rather popular.

Chances are he was more focused on his mission than getting dirt on the public members of the light. The reach and the situation with the league members probably took priority.

Edited by Darthwyn on Aug 29th 2019 at 5:10:09 AM

They're probably the same kind of people who cheer for real-life "strongmen" who are all "tough on crime".

Brion's pretty much a piss-take on strongmen. He's made king because he's supposedly stronger than his more reasonable brother Gregor and will Make Markovia Great Again. But in reality he's just a Puppet King of other forces. Kind of like how the supposed "strongman" of the Philippines, Duterte, is a hapless pawn of mainland China.

Edited by M84 on Aug 29th 2019 at 5:09:20 PM

Then again, the team should have told Brion what they knew about Tara.

Nothing about Brion shown that he wouldn't be able to handle it. Violet told him she kissed a girl. He forgave her. She told him that the body she was possessing was an accessory to his parents' murder. He still forgave her. And he was willing to spend the rest of his life with her. He was able to tolerate being around Dr. Jace, at first, despite her being the reason he was a lava monster when his powers manifested.

Also, who would be better at helping to defuse a tykebomb than said tykebomb's family? "What's that? My sister, who I went through Hell to rescue, possibly killed people while or while not under brain control/Stockholm? Guess I don't love her anymore lol." Not to mention, he was willing to overlook Tara's crimes anyway.

Finally, he didn't kill his uncle the first time he contained him. It was only after he felt betrayed by his friends that he said "Fuck it" and crossed the line.

Brion has character flaws. Closemindness isn't one of them.

He was also kind of sort of brainwashed. Or at least mentally influenced. If it weren't for the Bad Samaritan, he might have handled it better.

@Darwythn, I'm not saying anyone would or should mourn the Baron, I'm just noting the heroes reaction is hardly unreasonable or strange.

There are certainly interesting ways to discuss when and if the heroes need to ever kill, but the people I'm talking about aren't actually doing that, they're basically going: "the guy was evil, so of course it's okay to kill him! why should it matter who does it!" and that... just has so many gaping holes in it.

As far as Brion's responsibility goes, I'd say the story is probably still going with him having some. Based on what was said it's not like he was brainwashed - the guy gave a push but Brion was probably already really close to crossing the line anyway.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:26:22 AM

I mean, what happened was dark but it did seem a bit overblown reaction wise. Turning their backs on Brion instead of trying to help when he is having a breakdown seemed like a pretty bad take.

Did they do that, though? They were like "what you did was wrong, but we can help you through it" and he was like "it was not wrong, get out." Obviously cliff notes, but, you know. I'm not really sure what else they could say in that situation.

I'm torn on them not telling him about Tara.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 29th 2019 at 11:59:59 AM

Well, they wanted her to be able to make her own choice about whether to go through with betraying the group or not. If Brion had been informed, he'd inevitably have confronted her about it, revealing to her that the team was on to her.

I think Brion's decision to execute Bedlam, while not good, is easily understandable. Bedlam had just promised in no uncertain terms that he'd never allow Brion, his country or his family to be safe as long as he lived — moments after giving Brion a reminder that keeping him contained is no easy task.

I don't condone what Brion did, but I think Jefferson comparing him to literal mass murderers like Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, and Black Adam to be a bit much.