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RWBYraikou888 The Undercover Troper from The Kingdom of Atlas Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Undercover Troper
#29751: May 20th 2023 at 2:55:01 PM

She's his cousin, actually.

Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29752: May 20th 2023 at 3:15:07 PM

Oh.

I'd looked at a previous chapter about Darby the Older's card game against DIO (where the latter instilled the same fear in Darby that probably lead to his terror of failing DIO in the first place).

One Strip! One Strip!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29753: May 20th 2023 at 3:16:24 PM

Yeah as well done as it is, it definitely smacks of licensed fanfiction more than a fitting sidestory.

AcidicRafter2 Since: May, 2019
#29754: May 20th 2023 at 7:22:41 PM

[up] That's Kadono's work in general. Both PHF and CDDH write characters weirdly and just reek of fanservice over substance.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29755: May 20th 2023 at 8:22:18 PM

It's a lot more apparent with Demonic Heartbreak due to the more condensed length and pacing.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#29756: May 21st 2023 at 6:01:35 AM

Unfortunately it also has some inconsistancies that make it's canon status pretty questionable. For example, Josukes non reaction to DIO's name makes absolutely no sense with this story in mind.

If we had to strike something from Jojo canon because of a few inconsistencies, that would eliminate most of the manga.

Edited by Moth13 on May 21st 2023 at 9:01:54 AM

AcidicRafter2 Since: May, 2019
#29757: May 21st 2023 at 9:23:19 AM

[up] Not comparable. Spinoffs that aren't by Araki already have a difficult time being in canon but if you're contradicting entire events especially big ones like DIO's influence then you aren't canon at all.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#29758: May 21st 2023 at 12:08:19 PM

DIO survived in a coffin after decapitating Jonathsn that Erina was inside of at the same time and somehow ended up at the bottom of the sea while Erina was safely brought to shore.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29759: May 21st 2023 at 2:21:59 PM

Erina was rescued by a passing ship, and Dio was in a secret compartment at the bottom of the box. Now, the bigger question is how Dio got himself and Jonathan's body into the box without Erina noticing.

RWBYraikou888 The Undercover Troper from The Kingdom of Atlas Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Undercover Troper
#29760: May 21st 2023 at 5:32:52 PM

[up]Especially since Jonathan told Erina to get in the coffin right before he died. You'd think she would've gotten in before Jonathan and Dio did.

Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
TheWrongOne41 A nice swimmer from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A nice swimmer
#29761: May 21st 2023 at 5:37:52 PM

I'd like to think Dio just went and got another coffin from the ocean.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#29762: May 22nd 2023 at 11:27:27 AM

How do we feel about Jojolands so far, 4 chapters in?

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#29763: May 22nd 2023 at 11:44:36 AM

Hate to say it, but I'm already enjoying it a lot more than I did most of Jojolion.

TheWrongOne41 A nice swimmer from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A nice swimmer
#29764: May 22nd 2023 at 11:45:31 AM

Pretty strong start so far. It's a dirtier look at criminals more than the Mafia in Part 5 (although not yet as brutal) and i'm excited to what it brings to the table.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
AcidicRafter2 Since: May, 2019
#29765: May 22nd 2023 at 12:54:24 PM

DIO was never confirmed dead at that point. Especially when he survived worse until that point and Parts 1-3 were already semi-planned out. It doesn't outright contradict the story like a lot of CDDH did.

But yeah, Jojolands has a cast that's appealing to me more than Jojolion. As long as it keeps this relatively simple pace this part will end up staying one of my favorites. I love simplistic stands getting used in combat situations and The Hustle isn't letting me down so far in that department.

Edited by AcidicRafter2 on May 22nd 2023 at 12:54:41 PM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#29766: May 22nd 2023 at 10:38:58 PM

I really liked Jojolion, but I feel like it was a little too aimless overall. At least part of that is just inherent to the mystery aspect of the story, but I feel like the part suffered for it at least a little bit.

The characters in Jojolands are interesting so far. I can't judge it beyond that given how little has happened so far.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#29767: May 23rd 2023 at 7:59:49 AM

A Reddit post on how to defeat GER

I think the solution lies in Giorno himself. Namely I do not believe RTZ can work on Giorno's own actions. It protects Giorno from external threats. So, what? Talking Giorno into killing himself is the solution? Not quite, I strongly suspect that even malicious intent would set off GER.

So in order to overcome GER you need to convince Giorno to get into a situation where, of his own volition, he is placed into a scenario where he will die. Oh and you have to do it without any malice. You know, simple stuff.

Basically what this means is that you need to get Giorno into a position where he will die, but him dying is not your primary goal.

There is a stand that can do this. A stand that most people probably barely think about. The stand that can overcome GER and defeat Giorno is....

Superfly.

That's right. The electric tower. The stand that can't throw a punch or do pretty much anything. The stand no one in their right mind would want is one of the few that can be argued would defeat GER. Let's break it down.

  • Superfly cannot make lethal moves against Giorno as such RTZ should never activate
  • Once your inside you can't leave unless another takes your place.
  • The stand returns any damage done to it back to its origin.

What this means is that should Giorno ever end up in the tower he can't escape unless someone takes his place. RTZ won't activate because going inside was both Giorno's choice and non lethal. He can't punch his way out because the tower would just send the damage back (he might be able to RTZ the tower returning the damage but he'd remain stuck in the tower). Killing Giorno is not the primary goal of Superfly's "user" (getting out of the tower is) so GER would not detect lethal intent and activate.

Should Giorno ever enter Superfly of his own volition GER will not help him escape.

Defeating GER doesn't necessarily require a better offense. A better defense can also work.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
TheWrongOne41 A nice swimmer from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A nice swimmer
#29768: May 23rd 2023 at 8:04:06 AM

Super Fly is actually very cracked if you think about it.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#29769: May 23rd 2023 at 8:25:26 AM

Is GER's trigger malicious intent? I thought it was any attack directed at Giorno, regardless of the will behind it. Not that it changes the Superfly scenario in any way.

TheWrongOne41 A nice swimmer from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A nice swimmer
#29770: May 23rd 2023 at 9:38:52 AM

I don't think we can say for sure cause the only attack we see is Diavolo's and we know how much malice that attack went.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#29771: May 23rd 2023 at 11:03:09 AM

I'd argue that we've seen a Stand that's very close to Gold Experience Requiem be defeated. It's not an exact match, but Wonder of U arguably checks a lot of boxes. Hell, Wonder of U might even be worse because it activates in case of 'any' pursuit, not just pursuit with lethal intent. Granted said Stand was only defeated via an ability that literally transcends the logic of the world, as well as someone that lacked any intent to pursue until the last moment.

RinneSharinganCatalyst 小柏 カイ from the ricefields Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
小柏 カイ
#29772: May 31st 2023 at 8:20:42 AM

After a unusually long silence, Alternate Diego has been revealed as the last DLC character for All Star Battle R's season pass.

Over 900 years, he shall recover his heartbeat. Over 90 years, he shall recover his intellect. Over 9 years, he shall recover his power.
RWBYraikou888 The Undercover Troper from The Kingdom of Atlas Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Undercover Troper
#29773: May 31st 2023 at 10:17:26 AM

[up]I just hope June 12th sees the announcement of a Wave 2, because this is a real Anti-Climax.

Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#29774: May 31st 2023 at 10:43:58 AM

Alt Diego looks to stand at the top of THE WORLD!!!

Wake me up at your own risk.
MightyKombat Since: Jan, 2001
#29775: May 31st 2023 at 10:48:08 AM

To no one's surprise since he was another Eo H portover and I'm pretty sure he was datamined.


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