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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#226: Mar 30th 2010 at 12:20:07 PM

It would not be unreasonable to expect to see wild Salamence and Charizards amiably raising their babies alongside each other as long as food and territory is plentiful.

But if it's not plentiful, I would not recommend standing between them.

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#227: Mar 30th 2010 at 2:14:36 PM

A thought pertaining to the evolutionary process-

DP Pt confirm that there is a massive energy release when a Pokemon evolves. Perhaps the variance in evolutionary methods is related to this?

Let's say that each cell in a Pokemon's body contains organelles that serve the sole purpose of storing this "evolutionary energy". As it grows, excess energy will be sent into these. They can release energy if the Pokemon is unable to find food, keeping it alive. However, if energy is allowed to build inside them, eventually they will literally explode, releasing their energies into the cytoplasm, wherein the cell rapidly begins to divide to alleviate the stress. During this process, the body's cells rearrange themselves as glands producing hormones suppressing evolution are damaged by the influx of energies, and will not function for several days. So, cells reproduce in strange new ways, creating new structures; effectively, a controlled cancer, made rapid by the use of the evolutionary energy. More significant changes require more energy to undergo, thus a higher level. Caterpie, Metapod, and Butterfree are largely the same, anatomically. Were you to dissect one, most of the organs and structures would be identifiable between Caterpie and Butterfree. However, in, say, Rhyhorn to Rhydon, far more change and growth occurs; it takes more energy to pull off, thus a higher level. In trade evolutions, perhaps the trade machine forces the release of evolutionary energies from atrophied organelles. Wild Kadabra don't evolve because it's more beneficial to keep energy for gradual release in the event of hunger than it is to discharge the majority of it at once in a huge push for power that isn't needed and requires more food to sustain.

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#228: Mar 30th 2010 at 2:38:47 PM

Hmm... a good direction to examine. Though "energy" isn't really a substance; there needs to be some storage mechanism for the energy.

Pokémon can obviously store a great deal of energy, though... and typically only fully evolved types can use the high-power Hyper Beam.

Perhaps evolution isn't a matter of building up an amount of energy over time, then, but the energy storage developing to sufficient capacity.

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#229: Mar 30th 2010 at 3:32:28 PM

Maybe this "energy" is a type of radiation the all pokemon emit, and evolution has some sort of environmental or psychological trigger that causes the pokemon to rapidly discharge this radiation and rapidly metamorphose.

Pokemon seem to be very sensitive to radiation, as TR was able to force a Magikarp to evolve by nuking it with radio waves and it was implied by the Radio Tower Director that they maybe able to control pokemon with radio waves.

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#230: Mar 30th 2010 at 4:34:08 PM

I was thinking the organelles would use this to grow (direct energy-to-mass conversion) and simply "digest" bits of themselves to release energy.

You can force evolution via radiation, but this seems to cause the organelles to behave strangely and nothing else beyond the effects of that. The Red Gyarados isn't a normal shiny; it seems to be a Magikarp that evolved before accumulating the energies needed for evolution from its food, thus the pigmentation, and, presumably, myriad more subtle physiological flaws. So, the organelles are sensitive to radiation (explaining Stones as well) and can be made to discharge prematurely by the use of certain wavelengths. Premature evolution is imperfect, however; the body cannot completely metamorphose.

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#231: Mar 30th 2010 at 5:25:07 PM

That could also be used to explain why many Stone Evolution Pokemon can't learn any more moves by leveling up.

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#232: Mar 30th 2010 at 5:47:43 PM

So, stone exposure (probably prolonged chemical rather than radiation) induces a premature (often never naturally triggered) evolution response?

Charmander's page has been filled in a bit more, but is still missing some bits.

Once that's settled, do we open a post on another Pokémon, the evolution mechanism, the Pokémon League, or something else?

edited 30th Mar '10 5:48:13 PM by Tangent128

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#233: Mar 30th 2010 at 5:51:31 PM

I think I like the idea of figuring out more about the mons. This is fun...

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#234: Mar 30th 2010 at 5:56:19 PM

What about the series Spotlight-Stealing Squad mascot, the Pikachu line?

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#235: Mar 30th 2010 at 6:40:24 PM

Shouldn't Pikachu be saved for a special occasion? I mean, we need to cover Bidoof sometime... tongue

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#236: Mar 30th 2010 at 7:01:35 PM

Why Bidoof? I personally think the most logical thing would be to go through them numerically, which means Rattata is next if I'm not mistaken.

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#237: Mar 30th 2010 at 7:09:24 PM

The bugs would go before the Com Mons, going by that logic.

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#238: Mar 30th 2010 at 7:16:21 PM

^^ Don't mind that, I was just making a Scrappy joke.

Order's not too important. National Dex numbers are a useful way to go, but then we're stuck in Kanto for a long time.

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#239: Mar 30th 2010 at 7:17:57 PM

Let's start on a Johto Pokemon, what with HG/SS capturing people's attention.

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#240: Mar 30th 2010 at 8:00:07 PM

Which one? Unown should probably be saved for a special occasion too...

Sentret? Wobbuffet?

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#241: Mar 30th 2010 at 8:06:57 PM

Sentret. And Furret, of course.

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#242: Mar 30th 2010 at 8:50:09 PM

Okay. Let's not forget the Charmander diet, though.

(And we need to start finding pictures...)

edited 30th Mar '10 8:52:14 PM by Tangent128

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#243: Mar 30th 2010 at 8:52:01 PM

pics...

Sentret Line

Morphs [Oak Catalog #]

  • Sentret [161]
  • Furret [162]

TODO: physical descriptions

Notable Biology

The Sentret stage has a strong tail with impressive endurance- the Pokémon is capable of balancing itself on its tail for extended periods of time.

Habitat

Town outskirts and Fields where there are small holes to hide in or, preferably, soft earth for burrowing. As their sensitivity to air pollution is high, not many are seen near bigger settlements or cities.

Diet

Omnivores, these little mammal-like pokemon are often seen competing with Rattata for food in the routes near towns.

Hazards

???

Courting

???

Social Structure

Large, social communities with connected burrows. The Sentret maintain a lookout in shifts.

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#244: Mar 30th 2010 at 8:53:34 PM

Charmander diet - small hillside Pokemon.

Sentret and Furret share similarities to ferrets and raccoons, so they have a tendency to live near urban areas (which is why they're common near towns).

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#245: Mar 30th 2010 at 10:00:16 PM

Hrm, a question about happiness evolutions; does the bond have to be two way or could it just happen if the pokemon cares about it's trainer enough? I could easily picture a trainer manipulating their pokemon to try to get a happiness evolution.

There is also the problem of wild pokemon that have their evolved happiness forms found in the wild like Snorlax or Pikachu. Perhaps it isn't so much a bond with a trainer that triggers a happiness evolution as self confidence on the pokemon's part. So that would explain why you could find a wild Pikachu that evolved from Pichu by just maturing. Having a trainer just encourages and speeds up the process.

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#246: Mar 30th 2010 at 10:11:02 PM

^ Sounds about right. For whatever reason, certain evolutions require a sense of [confidence? stability?] to take place.

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#247: Mar 30th 2010 at 10:44:44 PM

Wait, didn't we already cover incense breeding, right?

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#248: Mar 30th 2010 at 11:14:36 PM

Sentret/Furret habitat: Town outskirts and fields where there are small holes to hide in or soft earth for burrowing. They enjoy burrows especially, as they provide a large, connected community that encourages their instinctual habits of standing on their tails and acting as lookouts.

Char diet: Charmander and Charmeleon hunt smaller animals, especially rodents, while Charizard tend to go after larger prey, including deer and any cattle that may be raised near their mountain homes. This tendency seems to have inspired legends of "mundane" (my word for non-pokemon) dragons stealing livestock.

I'd like to see an explanation for incense. It makes little sense to me.

edited 30th Mar '10 11:15:38 PM by ElementBlue

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#249: Mar 30th 2010 at 11:29:09 PM

Theory: The Char line's ancestor was Dragon-type, but as the Fire aspect grew to prominence, the Fire-type became primary. The reason I think it was Dragon-type in the past is because it can breed with Dragons. I think that egg groups are a more reliable measure of Pokemon relations than types.

Also: How do we explain the various types?

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#250: Mar 30th 2010 at 11:37:25 PM

Types are probably just descriptive classifications.

For instance, many non-Fire types have pyrogenic organs.

Incense and the like can probably be simply dropped, under Gameplay and Story Segregation logic.

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