Kingdom Hearts

Neither of them will get one over on Xehanort as they're Norts.

I'll laugh when they all end up obeying Xehanort completely with no attempts at betrayal. Xehanort is the master and they are his servants.

Is Vanitas a Nort, though? They require Thirteen Darknesses, and Vanitas IS a being of pure darkness, if I recall correctly.

Either way, I wouldn’t make such blanket assumptions. If, for example, Marluxia is indeed a bigger deal than we initially assumed, then I could see him not being as bound to Xehanort’s will as we might be inclined to think.

I think Vanitas is a Nort.

It's not entirely clear what that actually means though.

Ansem is a Nort and I'm not entirely 100% sure he won't just try to eat everyone.

Is it still only funny to me that Ansem and Xemnas have started to speak in unison like proper Creepy Twins?

Vanitas is obviously a Nort. He has the yellow eyes and now even wears the black coat. Marluxia also won't do anything to Xehanort. He's Xehanort's puppet just like the other Norts.

Could you maybe tone it down a bit? It kind of feels like you're trying to shut down speculation here, and are being rather hostile to boot. It's very unnecessary.

I mean, it's true that we have no idea what will happen, and could very well be wrong, but you don't know what will happen anymore than we do, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't act like you're smarter than the rest of us. We're just trying to have fun here, you know.

Vanitas has always had the yellow eyes, because he is literally Ven's Heartless.

The Norts being puppets isn't entirely confirmed tho. They seem to have their own personalities still.

...Also, Braig literally says "I've got my hands full with my own plans."

Maybe Braig has more leeway because of his years of loyal service, and maybe he's fine because his personal plans don't outright contradict Xehanort's directly, but. He still has his own agendas and goals, apparently.

I mean. Before Ven's heart linked with Sora, apparently Vanitas's eyes were red. Supposedly.

Like a Nightmare or Unversed.

EDIT: Mind you, as far as I can tell, Saïx's personality being so different from Isa's might be a sign that Xehanort has completely subsumed Isa's original will, but like. Xehanort might have had 10 years to do that. We don't know how fast his fragments work.

But he still lets Xigbar call him "old coot" in DDD, so like.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:45:30 AM

I wonder if the enormous "X" that Xehanort/Xemnas almost certainly personally carved into his face might have something to do with it.

Yeah, I think Saïx in particular might be having a really bad time as a Nort. Especially since near as we can tell he was already Norted the first time we see him in Days and stuff. Marluxia and Larxene didn't seem to be in Days and Com.

...And there's two different versions of Isa's concept art in BBS, one with green eyes he has in-game, and one with yellow eyes. So. Don't know what to make of that.

...I mean, some of Larxene's concept art has her with distinctly blue eyes, and in-game in Days and Com her eyes are green, and green is what you get when you mix blue and yellow, but like. That would probably only be a plot point in a fanfic. Even if Lea's eyes (in BBS and DDD) do seem a little more blue-green then Axel's green-green.

But, yeah, Saïx in DDD seems pretty puppet-like. And in KHII and Days he's all cold and distant and everything, so. Yeah. He's so personality-less and expressionless and blank that puppet seems to fit.

Vanitas was still a little shit in BBS, and seemingly Norted the one time we see his eyes in that game. Although I suppose he could have had red eyes at any point before then. Fucking helmet.

But anyway, like. Even if Xehanort can completely puppet them, that doesn't automatically mean he can do it easily or in a short time-frame.

Like, he put his whole heart in Terra, and Terra was still a bitch to take control of. Knocked his ass the fuck out. At least twice, if you wanna count 0.2.

And he had to stab himself once because of how difficult Terra was being.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 14th 2018 at 9:07:50 AM

@DemonGodOfChaos

Except not really? Aside from what unnoun said about Vanitas' original eye colour in the novels, Vanitas is 100% darkness. He's not like the Heartless, since they still have light deep within them (the light of the hearts trapped inside them, to be precise).

@Demongod Vanitas has yellow eyes because he's a Nort. Your comment is literally wrong.

Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 6:42:29 AM

What’s your proof?

If Xaldin ends up being a Nort and part of the True Organization XIII, then it likely means that Master Xehanort isn't counted among the Seekers but despite that he's still the leader. Similar to how Chaos/Spiritus leads the Final Fantasy villains group despite not being members among that group but just using them as pawns like Xehanort is using the True Organization XIII as pawns for his X-Blade plan.

Yes Xehanort reformed on one of the chairs in DDD but that was just because he was to meet up with his vessels. Now if we go with the seating in DDD during that time counting in Xaldin, then we have

I. Master Xehanort

II. Xemnas

III. Ansem So D

IV. Xigbar

V. Xaldin

VI. Vexen

VII. Saix

VIII. Demyx

IX. Luxord

X. Marluxia

XI. Larxene

XII. Young Xehanort

XIII. Sora(failed)

So Vanitas and that other Riku are missing from the seating but the former was stated to not have a body/vessel during DDD by Nomura so that's why he wouldn't be seated among the 13 but Xehanort was likely still counting him for when they properly resurrected him. For the latter, we may have seen him at Monstro but he didn't have the yellow eyes yet meaning he hasn't been Norted yet but he could have been what would be called an "intern". Associated with the Organization but not Norted yet until he was needed. When Sora failed then they would make moves to nort that Riku while giving Vanitas a body and a proper resurrection since Nomura confirmed that Vanitas has been resurrected by unknown means in KH 3. So since this is KH 3 and not DDD, Xehanort goes about his business while he has his Organization do their business. The fact he doesn't wear the coat like the other norted Organization members(even Ansem and Vanitas have to wear one now) pretty much indicates he sees himself separate from the True Organization XIII. So by KH 3, these would be the members for the True Organization XIII if you count out Master Xehanort who is the Chaos/Spiritus figure here.

I. Xemnas

II. Ansem So D

III. Xigbar

IV. Xaldin

V. Vexen

VI. Saix

VII. Demyx

VIII. Luxord

IX. Marluxia

X. Larxene

XI. Young Xehanort

XII. Vanitas/Rikunort

XIII. Rikunort/Vanitas

So that's how it should like and that's assuming if Dilan is Xaldin again or not. If he's not, then Master Xehanort takes his place among them and it looks like this.

I. Master Xehanort

II. Xemnas

III. Ansem So D

IV. Xigbar

V. Rikunort/Vanitas

VI. Vexen

VII. Saix

VIII. Demyx

IX. Luxord

X. Marluxia

XI. Larxene

XII. Young Xehanort

XIII. Vanitas/Rikunort

Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 7:01:25 AM

@Karkat Did you literally not play the game at all or read the Nomura interviews? Yellow eyes and pointy ears implies Xehanort influence. Not that stupid darkness or Heartless nonsense you people are spouting here and that has been debunked for years.

Vanitas is a Nort. That is fact just like his new black coat.

Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 7:02:31 AM

I wouldn't take anything from the novels at face value to be honest.

That MX planned to lead the Org himself would seem to suggest that one of the original group would've gotten the boot no matter what. Perhaps two, to make room for Ansem SOD.

^Why do you say that?

If Master X wanted to be #1, Xemnas would've been bumped down to #2 and one of the others would've been knocked off entirely.

x5 Well, I don’t know if “pointy ears” applies to Vanitas - I don’t know if we ever even see his ears. But if he is a Nort, fine - that’s not really something I’m that worked up about.

Seriously though, why are you being so aggressive? We’re just talking, and not even about anything important. I have no problem with you expressing your point of view, but you don’t need to be so bent out of shape about it.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:10:59 AM

@Hamburger Time Then they would just bump Xigbar down two levels so Ansem gets seat 3. But since Xaldin(presumably), Lexaeus, Zexion, Axel and Roxas are gone, I think there would be some bumping down and ups with the seating.

So with those five gone then you have the seating be where Xemnas gets bumped down to seat 2 because Master Xehanort took his old seat, Xigbar gets bumped down two seats because Xemnas took his old seat and Ansem takes seat 3. Vexen would be bumped down a seat or two because Xigbar took his old seat and Vanitas or Rikunort may take seat 5. Saix remains in seat 7 nicely and with Axel gone, Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and especially Larxene get bumped up a seat because Young Xehanort is now taking Larxene's old seat.

Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 7:19:16 AM

@Karkat Sorry for the aggression. I was just irritated with people saying "yellow eyes = darkness" when this has been debunked for years.

Alright, I get that, but there are better ways to go about it than calling people and their theories "stupid". Politely engaging people's arguments would certainly help, as would providing sources to back up your own, if only to dispel misconceptions.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:18:18 AM

Yeah you're right. I let my temper get the best of me. Sorry for being a jerk. I should have just presented my argument and proof calmly.