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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
May 1st 2019 at 6:31:11 AM

I'm not so sure it's a design oversight so much as it is a limitation of In-Universe scientific and technological advancement.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
May 1st 2019 at 7:18:49 AM

Thats what gimballed seats are for.

I do not compromise—I synthesize.
May 1st 2019 at 7:54:53 AM

Keep in mind that this ship does a lot of atmospheric flight, so it was probably designed mostly with a planet's gravity in mind. A ship designed to be under acceleration most of the time would probably be built to look more like a tower.

Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France
Chaotic Greedy
May 1st 2019 at 9:37:46 PM

Like Tintin's moon rocket.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
May 3rd 2019 at 4:45:26 AM

Addressing relative orientation for largely planetary craft and I don't disagree with Sam that adapting is easiest when you have no choice.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
May 6th 2019 at 7:49:21 AM

Sam idolizes Superman. How that happened is something I think we will just have to wonder about.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
May 6th 2019 at 7:52:05 AM

I don't have to wonder hard. We're talking about an alien who is beloved, famous, and most pointedly not threatened by pretty much anything (as opposed to everything) on Earth. I mean, there may be other things, but I think I can pretty quickly figure out what about Superman appeals to Sam.

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
May 6th 2019 at 9:16:00 AM

Huh. My brain kind of went to Sam learning that copies of Action Comics #1 are worth a great deal, and then having a million copies printed as a get-rich scheme before realizing that scarcity has its own value. But I like yours too.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
May 9th 2019 at 9:02:41 PM

It's a good point that the human model of sentience isn't necessarily the best one for all things, simply what we evolved into.

Adannor from effin' belarus Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
May 9th 2019 at 10:22:16 PM

It sure sounds pretty sapient with comments like these and some previous introspective insights. A twisty and nonhuman kind of sapient, but still.

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Aetol from France
May 10th 2019 at 5:17:37 AM

[up][up] Maybe it has a small sapient-ish core for making conversation (and more importantly interpreting verbal orders) while most of its brainpower is still machine-like.

Worldbuilding is fun, writing is a chore
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
May 10th 2019 at 6:21:30 AM

There are many good reasons why you don't want to make all AIs to mimic human consciousness, among them the boredom problem.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
May 10th 2019 at 7:17:41 AM

I forget, was the ship built to be three-laws compliant? I seem to remember that coming up at some point.

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
May 10th 2019 at 8:20:13 AM

Sure, but only with respect to humans. It can hurt and kill Sam all it wants.

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Adannor from effin' belarus Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
May 10th 2019 at 9:23:10 AM

Yeah, it follows three laws based rules. More rigidly than Bowman robots, by the sound of it.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
May 10th 2019 at 11:08:04 AM

I seem to recall Niomi's introduction involving the shop just letting her in because she was human and Sam and Florence were not, leading to a home about security holes.

wingedcatgirl flap flap meow from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
flap flap meow
May 10th 2019 at 4:37:24 PM

Florence once told it to do something and it had a whole self-conflict over whether it could ignore that command on account of her not being human (it decided the answer was "no" because this would indirectly violate the three laws, and was relieved to not actually have free will in the matter).

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
May 10th 2019 at 8:49:43 PM

If you are an artificial sapience, and you are bored, then you just slow your mind down until the situation appears interesting again (you leave certain monitoring systems running at normal speed, of course, so that if something interesting does happen you are not slow in responding to it).

Also, it is not true that conscious beings can only undertake one cognitive process at a time. I breath, pump my blood, and balance my endocrine system quite well without ever having to think about it.

Finally, if the Ship really has no consciousness, then it has no opinion on boredom, or any other issue. It is merely simulating them, which is super creepy.

I do not compromise—I synthesize.
Elfive not sure this one's actually a skull, but w/e from London
not sure this one's actually a skull, but w/e
May 11th 2019 at 4:35:57 AM

I'd probably get a lot of mileage out of being able to mentally fast-forward reality.

I stopped worrying about strange men on the internet around the time I became one.
Adannor from effin' belarus Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
May 11th 2019 at 4:50:09 AM

[up] That's called taking a nap tongue

[up][up] That end bit is pretty much my point. The ship very clearly is thinking about its process of thinking. However it was taught that it is different from humans and thus doesn't count as sapient. It is quite similar to how Bowman robots were seen, including them seeing themselves.

Though there may be a notable difference in speed of maturation from artificial intelligence to sapience between its design and Bowman's. Florence's first probing in differences of local robots vs "standard" included an encounter with a non-local-brained robot that lacked ability to think laterally. Savage Chicken here appears to be able to contemplate things in that way, perhaps due to old age and having enough time for the AI to "ferment".


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