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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28851: May 2nd 2021 at 11:01:04 PM

Denathrius's schemes seem to be a long con, I wonder what his investment is with the Jailer?

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KouTheMad The Grey Sith from Korriban Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#28852: May 2nd 2021 at 11:10:44 PM

Are there any Nerubians in the Shadowlands?

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Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#28853: May 2nd 2021 at 11:15:48 PM

Only some arachnid Maldraxxi who use the skeleton, but AFAIK Noone has been confirmed to actually have been a nerubian in life.

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#28854: May 3rd 2021 at 1:58:31 AM

I'm still not sure how Lothraxion supposedly being a spy works with him actually using the Light, and apparently the reason the Naaru attacked Revendreth is because they discovered the Dreadlords' machinations (hence why they attacked the ward that the Spire of the Unseen Guests was in, the Ember Ward used to be the Dreadlord's turf), so it'd be wierd if they then let themselves be fooled again just like that.

NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
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#28855: May 3rd 2021 at 2:18:16 AM

[up] It loops back around to cosmic natures.

Not only is Lothraxion in so deep with the light that none of the more sensible mortals doubt him anymore, even if there was a clash with the Light and the Dreadlords in the past, the Naaru are convinced that Lothraxion is lightforged and on their side, and once a force of Light is convinced of something it becomes "completely, totally and metaphysically impossible for it to be any other way that than that", so Lothraxion being a double agent is something their purview is completely incapable of considering.

Edited by NaraNumas on May 3rd 2021 at 4:19:07 AM

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#28856: May 3rd 2021 at 6:37:38 AM

Credit to Lothraxion that at least it must take some determination to not end up being a brainwashed drone for the light. Even if he is from a race of drones that just infiltrate other factions.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#28857: May 3rd 2021 at 1:03:14 PM

You know, sometimes I get the feeling Blizzard's allergic to nuance.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28858: May 3rd 2021 at 4:26:02 PM

For what it's worth, that light Nathrezim is implied to be a sleeper agent so not even he knows he's a spy for Denathrius.

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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#28859: May 3rd 2021 at 5:40:57 PM

I got the implication that the reason the Naaru got pissed originally was Dreadlord infiltrators pretending to be Naaru and discovering that. If Lothraxion is a traitor to the Light and still loyal to Denathrius the Naaru have probably fallen for it because he is pretending to be a Dreadlord that has gone over to the light, rather then being a Dreadlord that shapeshifted into a Naaru.

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#28860: May 3rd 2021 at 6:00:34 PM

[up] Maybe Lothraxian sold out the other Dreadlords in an attempt to gain the Naaru's trust? Not the first time in WarCraft Dreadlords betray each other to gain fake alliances.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#28861: May 3rd 2021 at 6:05:43 PM

My understanding was that the Naaru found an infiltrator, but missed the infiltrator, Lothraxxion.

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28862: May 4th 2021 at 10:50:34 AM

So I've been meaning to ask this for a long time, but why can't the PC Night Elves be as purple as the ones on the official art, Illidan, Tyrande, and the Night Elves in Warcraft 3?

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#28863: May 4th 2021 at 12:39:36 PM

...They aren't? Last time I played (which was during Mists of Panderia), it was a color option.

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#28864: May 4th 2021 at 12:59:00 PM

The closest just makes their skin look pinkish.

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Theharbo Since: Oct, 2011
#28865: May 4th 2021 at 1:32:01 PM

Greetings everyone.

The character page for Warcraft The Artifact Weapons was cut for a quite understandable reason, but some of the weapons are very sapient characters of their own, and these characters were not moved to their respective pages before the artifact weapons page was cut.

Xal'atath is the obvious one, given that she nowadays runs around with a body, but Thal'kiel (The Skull of the Man'ari) and Aluneth likewise have minds and characteristics of their own, and both of which has had bodies in their pasts.

I'm trying to get it restored. But the mod, crazysamaritan, has no knowledge about Warcraft and is asking for a consensus on which weapons would count as characters.

I've listed the three above. Do you guys agree with that assessment? Am I forgetting some? Or do some not qualify as characters?

Link to Wiki Talk about the subject here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16179561760A78691000

Edited by Theharbo on May 4th 2021 at 10:32:37 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#28866: May 4th 2021 at 3:59:12 PM

Massively Overpowered: Activision Blizzard quarter 1 financials say Blizzard has lost 29% of their overall active username in three years.

Edited by tclittle on May 4th 2021 at 5:59:34 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#28867: May 4th 2021 at 4:33:36 PM

[up][up]

Xal'atath, Thal'kiel, and Aluneth are the 3 obvious ones. There's also the Blood DK artifact, the Maw of the Damned, which isn't a character in itself but has the spirit of it's original creator (Netrezaar) bound inside of it.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#28868: May 4th 2021 at 5:03:57 PM

Though it's only interaction I know of is emoting when approaching Kil'jaden in the Tomb of Sargaeras.

Theharbo Since: Oct, 2011
#28869: May 5th 2021 at 2:17:05 AM

[up] You and everyone else according to the Wiki for the Maw of the Damned. So it's clearly sentient, yet it's very one note in that the spirit of its creator is suffering an And I Must Scream situation and thinks of nothing but consuming.

Edited by Theharbo on May 5th 2021 at 11:18:18 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#28870: May 5th 2021 at 10:13:44 AM

Different subject, but recently in an interview Ion Hazzikostas indicated that Blizzard might be moving away from explicit "borrowed power" systems.

I believe this is probably the right move. The road they've gone down creates a situation where every expansion story has to contrive both a reason to gain borrowed power...and to lose it at the end of the expansion. It also just doesn't feel great to spend a whole expansion building up a system only to lose it when the next expansion drops. That might not a be a deal breaker itself (obviously this is always the case with gear), but if the new system isn't as good as what came before it feels bad.

Bottom line? Borrowed power might of been a better expansion-specific feature with artifacts, rather than something carried forward in a new form in every expansion.

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28871: May 5th 2021 at 10:15:39 AM

As someone enjoying the covenant system namely Venthyr and Necrolord, it's going to be sad to lose it all next expac.

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#28872: May 5th 2021 at 10:15:40 AM

I tend to agree, but then what are we getting in each new expansion to make leveling up and working through content worthwhile? Blizzard has sort of painted itself into a corner here.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#28873: May 5th 2021 at 10:36:37 AM

The way I see it there are two options.

One is to more or less return to the pre-Legion status quo. Yes, this results in an ability bloat/prune cycle, but maybe that's an acceptable tradeoff.

The other option would be to create a borrowed power type system that is also expansion-agnostic. This might be tricky, and could easily result in it's own bloat/prune cycle, but it might be the best option if it can be done well.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#28874: May 6th 2021 at 10:36:50 AM

TBC Classic launches June 1st.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28875: May 6th 2021 at 12:07:19 PM

Enough time to lvl my Warlock to max.

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