One Piece

Heheheh Zorro nonchalantly realizing the origin of his stomachach is due to consuming poisonous shit got a laugh outta me.

I think it was sweet the Spade Pirates allowed the villagers to take their food, since they were starving. I mean they need food supplies themselves, but at least they knew that the villagers did what they did because they were desperate.

Yeah, me too

I liked a lot this chapter, one of Oda's strenght, aside panel-building, is how to communicate just with the visuals, and this chapter is a good proof of it, like when we see the destroyed village, that Ace has indeed learned how to make a bamboo hat there (we see him making one but it'd never been pointed out) or the wasteland with the factory chimneys looming in the background. And I found sweet Tama's flashback, even if a bit clitchey. I would've never expect Luffy to find already a Straw hat, especially Zoro, but I'm glad we're already slowly reuniting them. Now there's a break right before the (possible) figt with Hawkins , well, Oda has made much worse cliffhanger

P.s. I wonder how Luffy would fight with the sword [lol]

Edited by fishysaur on Jul 20th 2018 at 12:09:16 PM

Love how Luffy sees a random guy chasing a random woman and just assumes he's Sanji

Please don't start a 3-pages long super-serious discussion about that gag. Please.

Edited by Cozzer on Jul 20th 2018 at 9:04:14 PM

This chapter just confirms to me how much of a bastard Kaido is. He keeps all the good land for himself and the shogun, while he creates a wasteland to fuel his world ending war. I can't wait to see Luffy smash his face.

The emphasis on how Wano is starving is a great contrast in Tottoland whith how everyone has something to eat, despite the negatives like giving up your soul and Big Mom's rampages. At least in Tottoland, there are some positives of being under her rule. However, with Kaido he just takes and gives nothing in return and as an added bonus destroys the enivornment. I will say it once and I will say it again, Kaido is just looking to be the next Captain Planet villain.

We've known Kaido was a bastard for a long time, if you needed this chapter to confirm it for you...

Would you stop with the Captain Planet comparisons. I don't even hate the show and find it annoying.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:00:40 AM

I mean Kaido is an Emperor & an animal, of course he’s an asshole.

It’s all a given really.

We already heard tidbits of why he is a bastard, but these chapters just show why he's earned that reputation. There is a difference between hearing something, and getting to see their handiwork upfront. And man this chapter just really sells the point about the fact that Kaido is really going to cross so many moral lines that it won't be funny.I have a feeling after this arc, Kaido will be the new face of the Complete Monster One Piece list.

Yeah, I've also pointed out the problems with calling Kaido a Captain Planet villain.

Anyway, it makes perfect sense that Kaido's domain is a more blatant Crapsack World compared to Totland. Kaido doesn't have a long-term goal in mind unlike Big Mom who wants to create a (twisted) utopia for herself. Kaido wants to die. He wants the biggest, most destructive world war ever because he thinks that would be the only way he'll find something that can kill him. He has no reason to give a crap about the long term consequences for his territory.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2018 at 4:14:23 PM

Yeah, firewriter, when you exaggerate things and making poor comparisons without regard for proper context, like this really makes it harder to take you seriously.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:14:46 AM

The reason why I bring up the Captain Planet comparisons is because frankly the emphasis about how his actions are poisoning the environment really reminded me of the villains on the show. Yeah, Kaido has more of a (crappy) reason to be doing all of this, in contrast how the villains had vague ones, but I am saying if he was a villain on that show he would be one of the better written ones.

Well, I've never seen Captain Planet so I can't get the similarities with the villains (though I get it's because they both pollute and destroy the environment). However, I agree that being shown how much of a bastard Kaido is is important (show don't tell, so only words are unique) and still, it was shown with a single, large, effective panel (the one with the wasteland).

I liked the contrast between Kaido's and Big Mom's land you pointed out, though I think we're going to see Kaido's story just like with Big Mom so we can understand more his motivations.

The thing is, we're being shown things now because we're dealing with Kaido now. We were never given any indication that things about Kaido were untrue, so acting as if him actually being evil and destructive is some big revelation makes no sense.

The comparisons fall flat because Kaido isn't polluting because of some hatred of the Earth, or for money, or power, or for any of the reasons Captain Planets did shit.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:39:39 AM

This chapter demonstrated beautifully how Kaido messed things up in this country. Just imagine when the anime gets there, I hope Toei captures the magnitude of the Beast Pirates' horrible effect on Wano. Kaido's actions kind of remind me of how Crocodile's plot effected Alabasta, but instead of pretending to be a hero to the people like him, Kaido is just straight forward about how expendable he sees these people are. As said before, this just demonstrates how it fits into his philosophy of total war and could careless about the people of this world.

Him being evil is no a big revelation, but it's how evil he truly is. On what scale is he hitting the depraved level. To take from example Sokka from Avatar when he hears about Ozin's plan to burn down the entire earth kingdom, "I always knew the Fire Lord was a bad guy, but his plan is just pure evil."

Edited by firewriter on Jul 20th 2018 at 1:46:40 AM

We already knew he was planning a massive world war. We already saw what his subordinates are willing to do (gassing the Minks — yeesh).

It only seems worse now because we're seeing the effects of his brutal heartless actions on people who can't fight back at all.

Anyway, I'm wondering if we're going to get a scene where the little girl finds out about Luffy's relationship with Ace. She'll probably be feeling pretty bad about what she said to Luffy in this chapter.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2018 at 4:53:22 PM

Seriously, we saw how Stupid Evil Jack, one of Kaido's three righthand-men is, and that somehow doesn't reflect on Kaido himself?

How awful the Beasts Pirates and Kaido himself are is not something for which we lacked visual evidence.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:56:36 AM

Or the fact he wants to kill himself in some mega world war?

What has happened to Wano isn't the first clear sign we've had of Kaido's villainy. It is however perhaps the most striking example of it.

@LSBK

While Zou showed us a taste of what the Beast Pirates were capable of, what we've seen right now is how those under them are subjected to their cruelty. With the minks, it was the aftermaths of a battle and their whole nation was close to death, but was saved by Caesar being forced to absorb the gas. However, with Wano, it's probably going to take generations to recover from everything that has happened. So, being surprised at how low they can get is a legit reaction.

As M84 pointed out, this was a striking evidence (and the first time we see Kaido's effects on Wano, and I've found the panel really effective), Kaido being evil isn't a shock to anyone.

Of course I didn't doubt for a moment about what is said about Kaido, but again, we always need to see to understand, that's why I think a flashback is always more effective than a quick told backstory/exposition (with some exceptions, of course) <- That doesn't mean a flashback is always necessary, sometimes is good having just some hints and leaving the rest to the reader's imagination (example: With Baby 5 we see only her being abandoned, not how she got in the Donquixote Family or what kind of village she lived in, but we can easily imagine the missing pieces).

Technically, we've also seen the long fight between Jack and the Minks, not just the aftermath

Yes, I too think Kaido wants to start an all-out war so he can die.

Edited by fishysaur on Jul 20th 2018 at 2:13:01 AM

Also, it's not like Kaido destroyed all of this nature personally. It's just more horrible stuff on his orders or sanctioned by him.

Kaido outright said that's why he's going to start the greatest war in the world.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 4:17:43 AM

It's why I think the Shogun and Kaido hording all the good land, is another level of heinous to their exploitation of the country. I do think there is going to be a big Green Aesop theme in this arc, and it will be important to other additional themes we will see later.

Yes, of course, he's too busy attempting suicide. But only because he doesn't do himself doesn't mean he's less heinous.

I think all the pollution in Wano is a reference of how Japan was afflicted by pollution after it begun building factories and stuff. Fleavance is already inspired by a city whose inhabitants where poisoned by quicksilver which got in the water, then in the fishes, and then in the people.

Yes, it's likely there'll be a green aesop, I also notice it's one of the stock aesops One Piece hasn't done (yet)

Edited by fishysaur on Jul 20th 2018 at 2:19:37 AM

Of course it's not less heinous. That's exactly my point; it's exactly as heinous as everything else we've seen and heard of him. firwriter is talking as if this is somehow shocking or enlightening of Kaido's character and it just isn't. Or it shouldn't be anyway.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 20th 2018 at 4:26:11 AM

Wonder why he doesn't just starve himself.