Persona series

Pretty sure I'm right at the final boss of p5 strikers. It's been pretty fun so far. Though I'm a little annoyed Ryuji and Mona don't really get a talk-no-jutsu moment unless we're counting okinawa.

Do you think the first Persona games take place in the same universe as the later ones?

No because their universe got blown up at the end of Innocent Sin.

Eternal Punishment onwards is the same universe.

Eh, technically it is still the same universe. Just one where Maya never got MDK'ed.

The events of the first game still happened, as shown by characters from Persona 1 still showing up in Eternal Punishment despite the Cosmic Retcon.

I'm asking because the first games had the supernatural stuff happening in the real world and the later games have this kind of alternate world

The butterflies in the save points in P3/4 are supposed to be a reference to Philemon from P2.

I think I read somewhere that in the early games Personas are actually public knowledge or something? If that's the case, that would imply there was some limited Continuity Reboot here.

the Persona 3 club book claims that the reason the p1/2 crew weren't around is because their Personas faded away for reasons IIRC

I suppose they had to come up with some reason the old guard doesn't get involved in every new game, but that only reinforced why the Shadow Operatives shouldn't have been a thing as well.

Not really. Persona seem to revert if you don't actively continue to use them (the operatives and the Investigation team both going back to their base personas).

The whole reason the Shadow Operatives are still out there is because they are using their personas as...well the Shadow Operatives.

Personas are like a muscle. You want to keep it in shape, you keep using it.

the whole Personas operating off of Peter Pan/Narnia logic has never really worked for me sense the series has multiple adult persona users such as Kandori, the cast of persona 1 during the 2 duology, the cast of eternal punishment, the surviving SEES Members (discounting Aigis who is a special case) as of Arena and by extension 5, Potentially Namatame (Kurino Sagiri isn't a persona per say but much like the other 2 chosen and he likely has the potential to summon his own Izanagi and possibly has access to the wild card. A Nd yes I think Adachi is a wild card he just can't use it properly because he's well... Adachi. Also Is it me or is it kind of fucked up that Izanami is basically giving complete strangers copies of her ex husband). Adachi, Maruki, and Zenkichi.

Except going by Arena and Strikers Personas degrade pretty quickly, within a few months, if that.

So Junpei and Yukari, who Mitsuru avoids calling on unless she can absolutely help it, should not have their ultimates.

Junpei at least can be handwaved with his Persona is actually a fusion of Hermes and Medea, but Yukari has no such excuse.

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Which is why these are ultimately just details left for the fans to reconcile instead of an actual part of the lore.

Didn't the characters in p3 get their ultimate personas through the main story and not social links?

the narnia explanation never worked for me either since it goes quite literally against the meaning of personas as the facade you use to get through life- those things should get stronger the more you experience life, not the other way around. The fact Zenkichi has zero issue awakening to one despite being a 40-something also goes in that direction.

You could probably use the opposite of the narnia explanation to explain why the SEES have their ultimates in arena regardless of training - their awakening was a couple years ago for them at this point, compared to the investigation team, so they've gotten stronger since.

Edited by Yumil on Apr 27th 2021 at 9:38:21 PM

So I have a question for something I may or may not be working on: Can persona users understand Morgana regardless of whether or ot they've been into the metaverse?

No, they have to hear him first. Akechi heard the pancake comment because he had been spying on them since Madarame's Palace and accidentally let that bit slip.

Edited by lbssb on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:01:07 AM

Yeah. Sae herself has been to the meta verse (during their plan to trick Adachi) briefly, but she can't understand Mona because she never heard him while there.

You have to hear Morgana talk in the Metaverse to understand him in the real world.

Zenkichi can do it after he's done both for instance.

oh yeah, zenkichi gets to understand morgana way before acquiring a persona precisely because of that.

And done with Strikers. I dunno why the MCs always keep the velvet room a secret from the rest of the cast. Seems pretty important to not tell anyone.

What's the benefit?

That it’s protagonist privileges.

That’s it. The only reason.

Presumably it's to avoid looking like a nutjob.

This wasn't really the case before Persona 3, as all the party members could enter and were aware of Igor and the Velvet Room in Persona 1 and 2.

Edited by Makir on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:07:48 PM

Which has never been a legitimate reason.

It's especially weird in Strikers, since the other PTs actually went to the Velvet Room and met Igor and Lavenza near the end of 5. And yet the game seems to act like they forgot about all that.