A Song Of Ice And Fire

They did screw up the people of King's Landing quite a bit though...

It also wouldn't surprise me if the book equivalent of Dany's arc has her descend into conquering madness much earlier, like the time she gets back to Mereen, and then destroys/captures every place she passes across Essos until she returns to Westeros, in which case a case could still be made for the prophecy being true.

Or the dothraki seers were just high on their fermented horse milk, who knows?

I always took the "Stallion Who Mounts the World" to have actually referred to Dany, only the Dothraki couldn't imagine it applying to girl so they thought it must mean her son.

But even then, she never actually got around to conquering the entire world in the tv series.

Maybe prophecies are just bullshit, and people trying to invoke or avert them just leads to a lot of misery and death.

The solution of course is to kill all prophets.

Edited by M84 on Apr 24th 2021 at 11:21:50 PM

I don't know, the world on the television show was pretty small...

Yeah, whether the prophecies get technically fulfilled or not, the bigger point does seem to be that trying to fulfil (or avert, for that matter) them tends to result in massive trouble for everyone involved. Rhaegar trying to complete a prophecy led to the downfall of his family’s dynasty, Cersei's actions will probably ensure her children's and her own deaths, Melisandre championing Stannis will probably at least indirectly lead to his death, Drogo died ignominiously trying to fulfil the prophecy around his and Dany's child, etc.

Speaking of Cersei's kids, am I the only who is having a hard time imagining how Myrcella might die in the books? She seems to be pretty safe at the moment, with no obvious enemies with the ability to have her killed. Unless...a crack theory I've had for a while now is that Myrcella actually was killed by Dorkstar's attack (or at least that she died from the injury later), and that the "Myrcella" people have been talking to (always 'off-screen', I'd add) since then is her cousin Rosamund. The theory then is that the Martells coerced Rosamund into posing as Myrcella for them (they could always convince her that if she doesn't, war would break out - which probably is true). People like the kingsguard not realizing it could be explained by the fact that Rosamund was specifically picked to accompany Myrcella because of their resemblance, and the face injury could be used as a cover to hide and distort the features setting them apart (by wrapping most of her head in bandages they could hide the fact that she has straight hair instead of Myrcella's curly style). Maybe I'm just conspiratorial though

She's already been nearly murdered in the books on someone else's orders. No idea whose orders it was, but considering in the show she was murdered by the Sand Snakes (which Martin has put the kibosh on in the books because they now know what his plan is), hopefully the Martells will be protecting their prospective bargaining chip better.

I am fully behind the theory that she has already been murdered by Darkstar, on Doran's orders, and has been replaced by her cousin. Thus, she similarly died a "queen" like Cersei's prophecy.

Why?

Because it has her dying in connection to her being crowned thus fitting the prophecy. Similarly, it adds a sinister factor to Doran fitting a man that has been dreaming of revenge for over a decade. It also makes the whole dumb plot a little more consquental.

Doran Martell doesn't strike me as the person to order the murder of a child.

Not to mention that he wouldn't use somebody like Darkstar for it, considering both he and Oberyn clearly didn't trust the guy at all.

Just another way that Arianna's short-sighted and stupid little plan was never going to work.

Yeah, just to clarify, in my theory Dorkstar still attacked Myrcella on his own initiative, since killing Myrcella seemed to be way too risky for the cautious Doran (in addition to his affection for children in general). Rather, the idea was that, when/if Myrcella died of her injury, he'd feel compelled to pressure Rosamund into taking her place simply to avert the war he wasn't ready for yet, and that he's not telling his family because he's a deeply paranoid man who is afraid of the truth getting out too soon (which, considering the events of Arianne's plot in AFFC, we know he is cautious to the point of tripping himself up by keeping his family out of the loop).

Edited by Kardavnil on Apr 26th 2021 at 1:28:44 AM

Darkstar is actually a Faceless man

sorry,could not resist

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I just realized something.

I hate this series now.

😭

I mean, I feel... weird? Like, I like the fanbase (yeah, weird thing to say) and still talk about it, but I hate the series now, especially the glorified side-character Jon Snow. I just... can't bring myself to like it again.

And I'll read the next book and hopefully the seventh one (doubt we'll get a seventh) out of a sense of, I guess, obligation and for old time's sake, but... It wouldn't be something I would enjoy by that point; just something to pique my curiosity, I guess...

Yeah, well, it's whatever. Just taking the time to express myself. Not trying to ruin anyone's parade or anything.

... "glorified side character"? Really?

What? I don't like him.

That doesn't mean he's a side-character. His current plot is, if anything more important than the Five Kings story.

Why's that?

Because it's directly tied to the Others plotline which is shaping up to be the climactic conflict of the series?

To paraphrase Lord Mormont's comment from the end of the first book, it won't matter who sits on the Iron Throne if everyone's dead and/or wight-ified.

Except in the show, Jon Snow had nothing to do with resolving the White Walker plot. Arya did everything. So in the show, he really was a pointless character.

Arya was the one who got Dany to come with her army to the North to fight the Night King?

To be fair, if you want to prevent that, a unified kingdom is one of the better ways. So, it does kinda matter.