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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85751: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:02:40 PM

There was also the thing he did to help restore Ichigo's bankai after Yhwach broke it. Speaking of which, I'm not actually sure how that worked with how Tsukishima's powers were described.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#85752: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:06:03 PM

He changes the past of a person or object. Its how he set traps by stabbing the floor, and as his sword is tied to him stabbing Ichigo would change the blade.

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#85753: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:07:48 PM

So it is a limited form of Reality Warping.

He’s controlling your reality.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85754: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:08:17 PM

Yeah, but he was supposed to be inserting himself into the target's past, right? I don't remember the exact wording, but that didn't really sound like it factored into what he did to restore Zangetsu.

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#85755: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:12:31 PM

I'm pretty sure he just created a past where the blade wasn't broken, so Orihime could restore the blade to that point.

Yhwach's Almighty previously eliminated those timelines.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#85756: Mar 25th 2019 at 11:39:19 PM

He inserts himself into the past to change.

He inserted himself into the past of the floor so he set a trap for it, and he inserted himself into Ichigo to stop the blade from being permanently broken. His power is essentially the anti-Yhwach. Changes the past instead of the future. While Yhwachs only changes the future.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 25th 2019 at 11:39:58 AM

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#85757: Mar 26th 2019 at 12:20:20 AM

I think he changed the past into him breaking Ichigo's sword instead of Yhwach.

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#85758: Mar 31st 2019 at 6:23:35 AM

Well, we know what Tite Kubo has bbeen doing since Bleach ended.

He's the character designer for the New Sakura Wars.

Now there's something I wasn't expecting.

Still, his new take on Sakura herself is pretty cute.

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Aquaconda Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#85759: Mar 31st 2019 at 6:50:21 AM

That's good. His artwork looks good there.

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#85760: Apr 4th 2019 at 5:52:35 AM

Youtuber Mathwiz takes on the discourse regarding Bleach as well as discourse about power scaling and character discourse in shonen.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#85761: Apr 4th 2019 at 7:38:22 AM

Mathwiz isn't wrong about the cultures surrounding Shonen fandom and their perception of quality. I think Hunter x Hunter is one of the greatest Shonen out there, but I hate the "it's good because its a deconstruction" qualifier other fans tend to throw around. I also don't get why so many people put My Hero Academia on a pedestal even if I'm also a fan. These types of Shonen fans feel like what they spend their time on has to be good, mainly by meeting a set of criteria they came to enjoy from or developed due to reading past Shonen.

Bleach did decline in quality, no one says or thinks differently, but even in the final arc there were very interesting things going on with the heroes and villains that were worth reading about. All these light novels Bleach received after it had to end because of Kubo's health just shows more of it. The decline was't due to repetition though, rather a combination of Kubo's own bad writing habits catching up to him and some executive meddling in the wrong places.

Yes, people also felt like certain characters were wasted or poorly utilized, but that goes back to why some fans idolize other Shonen for unnecessary and undeserved reasons. They see that a plot or character arc could go in a direction they find preferable to their taste, and confuse that with being better than what they got. Some of these critiques could be reasonable, some more often than not are also just whining about their expectations not being fulfilled.

Edited by VeryMelon on Apr 5th 2019 at 1:38:14 PM

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#85762: Apr 4th 2019 at 8:51:12 AM

There's a mentality in fandom in general that "deconstruction" is automatically better.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#85763: Apr 4th 2019 at 9:26:48 AM

Which is in part irritating because many people don't actually know what deconstruction is. I don't even think our site gets the exact definition right, but the jist of it is subversion of and examination of stories. It's not something you do in a story, or at least it's not as simple as that. This also leads people to assume deconstruction means Darker and Edgier, another trope people believe leads to a better story, because the same people who get the former wrong assume it's about the latter in some way.

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#85764: Apr 4th 2019 at 7:39:45 PM

Bleach did decline in quality, no one says or thinks differently

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But otherwise I agree with the rest of your post, and it was succinctly explained.

I think it's fine to think 'I'd prefer the story went in this direction/this change would have suited the series better' but some readers take this to an extreme, investing in an idea that would never happen in the series in question.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#85765: Apr 5th 2019 at 10:43:42 AM

I can respect opinions that go against common perception. It's cool if you felt Bleach wasn't any worse that before.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#85766: Apr 5th 2019 at 10:46:47 AM

I definitely became less interested in Bleach as time went on, but I'm not sure how much of that I'd actually attribute to a decline in quality.

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#85767: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:04:46 AM

I'll admit, I was still fairly invested even by the end, mostly because I liked the cast and setting. But the burn out was real, and I can tell Kubo was running on fumes.

But Melon makes a good point: when you get down to it, there is no way to objectively measure a series' quality completely, everyone has a bias whether we think so or not. What's a masterpiece to you, may be overrated to another; it's just how human nature works.

Tropes and themes that you grew to like will almost always resonate with you when they're repeated. Shonen uses a lot of the same tropes, even if they're executed differently so it's natural for people to be attracted to that and seek that out.

I really don't get why everyone turned on Bleach so hard. There was definitely a decline in quality, but no more than Naruto's or One Piece but those still get some praise. Its odd.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#85768: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:14:24 AM

Well the anime was cancelled so that prolly helped make it look like it really bombed.

It nevee getting a complete adaptation prolly helped the perceived showing that its a huge loser.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#85769: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:20:11 AM

Bleach was one of the channels better selling shows. In the top five most sold dvds for Anime on the channel it was besten out only by Nardo, Nardo's Son, and was being quickly followed by Blaaaaaaaaack Clover.

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#85770: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:23:41 AM

Naruto got to fully adapt the manga, and get a sequel series currently airing. One Piece is still airing to this day.

Might just be sales.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#85771: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:25:18 AM

Yeah they had two one for DVD sales and Merch. Bleach didnt make it in the anime Top Five section for the channel when it came to merch.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 5th 2019 at 11:26:01 AM

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Aquaconda Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#85772: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:29:12 AM

I do think Bleach declines in quality and I wouldn't call the a lot of the later stuff good. However, I think the hate torwards it was really ridiculous.

Edited by Aquaconda on Apr 5th 2019 at 1:29:28 PM

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#85773: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:31:01 AM

I heard volume sales were getting lower as well. Quality may be subjective, but money sure as hell isn't.

If the series was selling less, no reason to continue supporting it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#85774: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:37:08 AM

Even then I think the numbers sere still good even if they were lower.

Like it sold far better than Toriko despite Jump's attempt to turn it into the next big thing.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#85775: Apr 5th 2019 at 11:55:21 AM

Well that and I heard the Toriko anime wasn't very good.

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