Comun: Xuanzang is as strong as one of the knights of the round table. I find that pretty impressive, personally.
asterism: Yeah, cause a god made those gates.
drunk bunny
Every once in a while I look at a servant and think "they would be an instant 'i win' button in any normal grail war".
Like Sanzang, King Hassan, Quetz.
But then I realize Gil was the "I win" button in his holy grail wars and he lost both of them.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
The Head of the Hydra
Lost the first one, was defeated in the second.
Though Gil is a tremendous moron.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
vicarious
It’s tough being a jobber
Weeps for Herk and Karna
Why would Xuanzang be an instant I Win button? Like she's strong, but she's also kind of dim, easily tricked and won't even kill unless directly ordered to. And her second NP kills her despite not even sounding that good.
vicarious
I win buttons are more absurd shit that strikes out a majority of Servants and is consistent in reliability like God Hand and Temple of Doom.
drunk bunny
Just for the sake of being a caster who is also really good at combat, something most casters are really weak at.
Though you're right about everything else, maybe not.
I've also been thinking about Quetz a lot. We know from Babylonia that she's stupidly strong, but she really doesn't do much to back it up. Well, besides throwing an axe that's as big as a mountain. Other than that it's mostly characters saying that she could take Gorgon on her own if it weren't for the goddess alliance. I guess she nukes herself to temporarily stun Tiamat?
She also displays nigh invulnerability to good servants, though it might've been just under those specific circumstances.
Who else from GO would be stupidly strong in a normal holy grail war, though? I think that's a fun topic. We know Solomon kinda stomps his. Lancer Artoria seems like she'd be stupid strong, though i dont know if she'd be an "I win" button.
What about Merlin? He's hands down the best servant in Fate/GO (at least until Skadi debatably) but he's also mostly a supporter. Would he actually be that good in a normal grail war?
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
vicarious
Sure, but that's more sly shit than outright combat
Quetz is absolutely a monster tho, you can't downplay Divine Spirits like her
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Quetz merely having the ability to invoke divine Authority with Piedra Del Sol puts her leagues above other deity Servants
Edited by Nouct on Jan 18th 2019 at 2:52:01 AM
vicarious
A U T H O R I T Y
Those are the true I win buttons
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oh no wait technically Eresh could use her NP and beat her since conceptually underworld > sun according to Christmas 2017
that's basically it
Honestly, I think can count Quetz as the strongest Servant currently in canon. Though we can never say because Merlin is so visibly hiding his best cards.
vicarious
Life is good when you're a God
Until Velber comes
@Bleye: I think summoning a miniature sun and a whole flock of pterosaurs puts Quetz at a pretty high Power Level. Above 9000, at the very least.
Of the Servants introduced in GO, Rama and Sigurd are certainly on the top, both "I Win"-levels. If Lostbelt Servants count, Ivan still comes across as the most powerful of the bunch.
Darius has the same kind of broken NP as Iskandar, and Kiritsugu is, of course, pretty much invencible at one-on-one fight.
And of course, Edmond and Tesla, both of which took one look at the Older Is Better shit this franchise keeps pulling and said "Hold my beer".
Edit: Oh, and of course, how could one forget dear Gramps? Still think he's the strongest non-Divine Servant, if not necessarily the most powerful, as in destructive.
Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 18th 2019 at 8:14:14 AM
Bleye: Nulling Good Servants is only when she has her full authority. As a normal Servant the effect is reduced, but still present.
I think Lancer Artoria is only on par with her normal self. Rhonny is a lot stronger than that.
Nouct: Nah, Eresh only beats Quetz in the underworld. Using her NP makes the area more suitable to herself but that's not really the same thing.
Comun: I dunno if Quetz is the strongest but I'd put her in top five or so. Like I think she would beat Karna or Ozy in a straight fight but Gil might be kind of hard with his advantage against divinity. And then there are Grands and stuff like nine tails Tamamo and so on. I'm not sure Grands count, though, because they've been shoved into a better container, which is kind of cheating.
Edited by Arha on Jan 18th 2019 at 5:47:14 AM
Tbf Grands are used for the strongest so they can tap into the power they had when they were alive and potentially even beyond that.
Gil by himself powered his entire armory, non stop working and sustained multiple servants by himself just fine till overworking on numerous matters caused his death in Babylonia. Which fits how CCC the powerups to best BB/Kiara gotten at the end had Tamamo/Archer/Nero strengthened beyond their peak strength to face them, while Gil just gets his original strength and uses his full might to slay a different Beast depending on the route.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 18th 2019 at 4:18:37 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Speaking of CCC, there was a fantranslation going, wasn't it? Has there been any news from that front, or is it safe to assume it's dead?
^^ Superior container might mean more power than they had when they were alive for all we know. Grands are really vague, especially given that the one (ish) we've seen was never really pushed to his limits.
Shocking Gun!
More chibi costumes and Altera Larva coming to Extella Link.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
drunk bunny
I've never watched Apocrypha and don't know what's his deal in CCC, what is Karna's deal? Like, what does he do to make him so strong?
For that matter, why is Ozy listed up there with him? I know he's a key player in Babylonia but I didn't think he was up there with the likes of Karna or Gil or anything like that.
Nine-Tails tamamo is probably a weirder situation than the grand servants honestly (though not knowing what being a grand servant even means is a sticking point). Tamamo is supposed to go Beast mode once she gets all nine tails, except in CCC she just. doesnt. and instead goes back in time (which is a statement on how powerful she is with all nine tails) and kicks the moon cell (somehow given it's metaphysical) to keep it from deleting Hakuno. We definitely know that Nine Tails Tamamo is stupid busted, but I doubt she can even be considered a traditional servant.
Her one tailed form is said to be weaker than the average servant, though, and with each tail her power is multiplied by 7. Theoretically in GO she should be stupidly powerful in her 3 tailed form, but I'm pretty sure that's just mats not gelling well with GO/each other. It doesn't help that Tamamo doesn't do much in GO besides frightening piglets. Also her one tailed form just kinda rejects being deleted by the moon cell according to Extella Zero, so that's a thing.
The team doing it posted an update just a month or two ago confirming that they're still working on it, along with a bunch of other games. They also said they have no intention of stopping either.
Edited by EpicBleye on Jan 18th 2019 at 1:42:47 PM
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
The Head of the Hydra
I can’t keep track of all these overpowered Servants.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hindut figures are really OP. In fact they're really nerfed in Fate compared to what they could be capable of.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Shocking Gun!
Ramesseum Tentyris is just that broken. Like here are list of shit you have to deal with if you were to enter the temple:
- Divine curse/poison what kills most people in seconds and weakens Servant's parameters and even skills. It is strong enough to even affect Arash.
- NP Seal to non-divine NP
- Multiple guardian beasts like sphinxes.
- Oh yeah, Ozy and the beasts are immortal inside the temple. You pretty much have to destroy the temple and Ozy at once if you wish to kill him. And the main temple can withstand Anti-Army NP
It pretty much takes almost all of the other Prototype Servants to take him down.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
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Altera's child version
which is officially called Altera Larva will be a DLC character for Extella Link.
She had to kill herself to knock down Camelot's gates tho
Heart of Stone