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hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#29051: Oct 6th 2018 at 1:57:51 AM

Is this what Tats demands from men to better themselves? Apologize to every woman you've ever looked at if you watched porn?

I'm imagining there are some more practical and logical impossibilities required before men are considered "marginally better than dirt".

No wonder the Sisterhood has no allies!

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#29052: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:07:56 AM

I think you guys are going a bit overboard with the criticism, here. This story arc is actually pretty good, especially compared to the usual hamfisted fare we get from Tats. It's a lot better than the Sisterhood bashing us over the head with it, that's for sure.

Optimism is a duty.
Metalix Since: Apr, 2012
#29053: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:48:43 AM

[up] Tats is still falling into his usual traps here though. Chief among them beong busting Squig's chops while he's actually trying to conform to Tat's twisted standards.

And that's not even getting into what he's basically saying about the porno industry as a whole, and the people who consume porn.

Just because it's not as hamfisted as the Sisterhood doesn't mean it's not still hamfisted as crap.

Edited by Metalix on Oct 6th 2018 at 5:49:28 AM

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#29054: Oct 6th 2018 at 7:22:50 AM

Honest question: How do you manage to separate it?
Using Monique as an example, by remembering what she used to be like before she was twisted into the modern Fauxnique.

What's left that has nothing to do with Tats's political and feminist views?
Classic Monique, either as a victim of an And I Must Scream predicament, or having been in a coma within her own body all along.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#29055: Oct 6th 2018 at 11:37:09 AM

Hey, Fuschia remember when Seymour was judgmental when you were turning over a new leaf. You shouldn't be so hard on Squig, when you were helping torture damned souls under the Devil's dime.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#29056: Oct 6th 2018 at 7:19:46 PM

I think that Tats painted himself into a corner. Logically, this should have been Slick trying to get rid of his porn, not Squig. But Tats burned too many bridges with the Slick/Sleaze thing, and he made Sleaze too powerful while reducing Slick to a nonentity. So Squig was drafted for the job, even though Sudden Woke Syndrome doesn't really suit him.

Personally, I wish it had been Slick, because a confrontation between him and Wossername could have led to some interesting dialogue and maybe even a respectful relationship. (But that would have been a "cis-het" relationship, and such perversions of morality are not permitted in Festerville.)

Edited by Hexapodia on Oct 6th 2018 at 7:24:26 AM

Metalix Since: Apr, 2012
#29057: Oct 6th 2018 at 8:54:43 PM

http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2018-10-07

So strong. You burned a bunch of bad memories and hijacked another peron's attempt at growth. Way to go.

Can't help yourself can ya Tats? You did the same thing with the party arc. You remember? The arc that SHOULD'VE been about Lil'E discovering more about his origins and who he was, but instead you had Tangie hog the spotlight when it wasn't focused on the Red Stringed duo?

You just can't let your male characters experience their own growth or character development, no. It always has to com back to the ladies in some form or another.

Overlord347 Since: May, 2013
#29058: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:06:21 PM

So, after all that, Squig gets shunted off to the side while Sad Sally takes center stage, posing to show that she's a sewper-strong womyn. This was supposed to be Squig's moment, a major character development where he was trying to turn over a new leaf. But we couldn't have that, could we? No, we needed it to be all about her, a character who still has no name but since she is a woman, every and all allowances must be made for her.

Edited by Overlord347 on Oct 6th 2018 at 9:06:34 AM

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#29059: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:59:27 PM

Mmmmm,

This strip was pasasble. The art is superior to the storytelling but this isn't bad on the storytelling front

[up] Overlord 347 & Metalix have both clearly stated above what is also my problem with the strip, when taken in context with the storyline, but I'll still give it a "meh, whatever" rating.

I'd give it higher but the prior months of dross, twisted viewpoints and deranged soapboxing have affected my sense of amity towards Tats. I suspect I'm not the only one on this forum

I'm not sure if I like Squig being reduced to a plot delivery device for the empowerment of a currently minor side character

Loads of half naked ladies drawn in sexual poses while anviling against porn...again....

Anyone else wondering if Tats gets off on the feeling of taking Rad Fem dollahs to draw mild Ecchi?

Got to love Tat's sense of movement and pose though. It's the one thing he always seems to get right

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Oct 6th 2018 at 4:59:28 PM

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bigking Since: Apr, 2011
#29060: Oct 6th 2018 at 11:52:28 PM

So...

She destroyed someone else's stuff that they were in the middle of destroying anyway.

How... empowered?

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#29061: Oct 7th 2018 at 2:33:00 AM

Yeah, Tats can't help but let his female characters steal the spotlight in the name of so-called empowerment. This is supposed to be Squig's moment, and it's ruined by Sad Sally, who could have gotten her own moment and didn't need to steal his thunder.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#29062: Oct 7th 2018 at 3:25:59 AM

Actually, destroying the porn that features YOU, personally, getting exploited, is pretty empowering. And I don't mind that she has a moment here, too.

Another fine chance for Tats to draw more sexy ladies for feminism, by the way...

Optimism is a duty.
hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#29063: Oct 7th 2018 at 3:35:44 AM

Good points all around already! I'd also like to thank Tats for completely ruining Squig's moment here!

I'm getting the feeling that Nameless Sad Prostitute Girl starred in an awful lot of movies if you see the amount she manages to grab from the bag in a single try.

It really sickens me how Tats made Squig go from recovering porn addict to implied rapist. Nobody gives a shit about him any more, all attention is going to NSPG.

This is a great victory for sex workers Helpless Rape Victims of the Patriarchy everywhere! She manages to destroy someone else's porn collection that he was going to destroy anyway!

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#29064: Oct 7th 2018 at 5:53:38 AM

I don't think Tats says anywhere that Squig is an implied rapist. I don't think that is what he is going for here.

Handled properly, this story line could be used to address the ethics of porn consumption, which is certainly a thing that should be discussed. The point is not that Squig is a rapist somehow (and I don't think the comic actually supports that view at all), but that he consumes porn indiscriminately, without thinking about how those porn actresses are actually treated.

Optimism is a duty.
hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#29065: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:45:08 AM

[up] For the discussion: I'm referring to this comic. I keep saying implied rapist, but you could also say implied sex offender or something.

Tats isn't discussing the ethics of porn consumption, he's implicitly labelling a victim and an offender.

This is what he always does. He doesn't offer multiple viewpoints for discussion or consideration, even when the subject material really calls for it.

He just calls a right side and a wrong side and proceeds to call the wrong side stinky, ugly and dumb while painting the good side as all cool and empowered and stuff.

Remember when he "settled" the debate between second and third wave feminism? Tats only needs two comics to say everything that needs to be said! Third wave feminsim? More like third wave misogyny! That is the entire spectrum of Tats's capability to argue a point in 8 panels.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of what Tats writes about is interesting to discuss and consider, just not in the way Tats is doing it. It's poison.

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#29066: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:26:18 PM

http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2018-10-08

Joolabool Sep 25th 2018 at 10:54:56 AM

And I just wish we could see D-man stagger and say to Blue “I felt a great disturbance in The Porn... as if millions of pages suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.”

Won’t happen, but hey..

Okies, that's it

Citizen Joolabool,

Please report to the helicopter pad where Citizen Yamiblade is already waiting to take you for a helicopter ride far away from here. We must protect your gift from falling into the wrong hands

Edit: - Omg,where does he get his memes from? 19th Century dot com? Tats is a total, total hack at times!

In related breaking news, water confirmed as being wet and the pope has confirmed that he is religious

Edit Two: - Two webcomics nailed with one prediction by Joolabool! http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2018-10-03 was the first part of the text....

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Oct 7th 2018 at 2:38:17 PM

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AAGGRESSS Since: Oct, 2015
#29067: Oct 7th 2018 at 8:15:14 PM

With each passing day, I await the collapse. Of what I care not. Perhaps the collapse of whatever warped form of feminism Tats follows, leaving him alone. the collapse of his fan base, leaving him irrelevant? Just in general i want him to actually pay for all this shit he is spewing. Someone needs to call him out to his face, or at least let him alienate everyone until his only friends are his own irrelevance.

Garvalan Since: Nov, 2010
#29068: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:31:49 PM

I'm new here, but I just wanted to point at an interesting juxtaposition.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#29069: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:26:03 PM

Very interesting!

I keep asking: Why does Tats seem to sabotage his supposed message so often?

@AAGGRESSS: Just in general i want him to actually pay for all this shit he is spewing.

I think he's already paying for it. Someone is making him grovel, and he's very subtly indicating that things are not entirely what they seem to be.

Edited by Hexapodia on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:29:33 AM

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#29070: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:35:22 PM

He really needs to find more creative memes.

hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#29071: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:50:50 PM

The question is whether he scours this forum to steal ideas or whether he is so unoriginal people can accurately predict what he's going to rip off next.

That pimp seems to be single-handedly running the entire porn industry. There are no cameramen, no sound engineers and no one to help with lighting. Just the pimp and a camera.

It's a man of many talents!

Garvalan Oct 8th 2018 at 6:31:49 AM

I'm new here, but I just wanted to point at an interesting juxtaposition.

Welcome to the discussion! It's indeed interesting.

Tats has shown often that he thinks that women can't be trusted to be allowed to sexualize their own bodies and all get traumatized by the horrible, horrible act of being watched by men.

When a woman does the same to a man it's suddenly all good and beautiful? I call bullshit!

Edited by hayate666 on Oct 7th 2018 at 7:59:43 PM

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#29072: Oct 7th 2018 at 11:57:06 PM

Welcome to the forum Garvalan

Here's hoping you enjoy it grin

[up]Hayate

Maybe his new ladyfriend does the lighting, her makeup + hair and the sound check?

Got to admit the idea of Tats being a bullied basement dweller chained to a desk somewhere might explain how his message slides all over the place like a ice skater on their first day

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Oct 7th 2018 at 6:59:25 PM

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Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#29074: Oct 8th 2018 at 3:34:50 PM

@Metalix: You just can't let your male characters experience their own growth or character development, no. It always has to come back to the ladies in some form or another.

I think it's possible that this is the result of Executive Meddling: Tats is being "corrected" in mid-arc by his Significant Other.

Edited by Hexapodia on Oct 8th 2018 at 3:34:52 AM

Raylas Roundbird with knives. Knife Bird. Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Roundbird with knives. Knife Bird.
#29075: Oct 8th 2018 at 5:11:54 PM

@Garvalan I believe that counts as the argumentative equivalent of a haymaker.


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