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Anfauglith Lord of Castamere
Lord of Castamere
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:27:13 PM

As for the YMMV page, I think there are too many mentions of the goddamn ending. We should delete them all and leave just a rather large explanation of the facts of the ending (what happened, what are the things that don't make sense) and then add what people complain about under Broken Base or such. Just once.

Instead, I have learned a horrible truth of existence...some stories have no meaning.
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:27:21 PM

Natter

The main reason we have YMMV pages is that YMMV tropes lead to debates that clutter the pages because YMMV tropes are subjective. With the release of the third game and the whole ending controversy, people who don't know the wiki's rules are registering and adding nattery examples.

Edit: Dr. Eva'd*

edited 16th Mar '12 2:28:11 PM by lrrose

Frosplosion Fro-ed Wonder from Palm Bay, FL
Fro-ed Wonder
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:27:31 PM

@Mukora: Get through the game despite the spoilers, see everything leading up to that, then see if you feel the same way. That's the only way to truly know.

And Renegade Shepard can still keep Wrex alive. He just has to intimidate him at Virmire. I get what you're saying, but it's possible.

"I know where I am, I just don't know where I am in where I am." - Me
Anfauglith Lord of Castamere
Lord of Castamere
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:28:36 PM

@ Irrose

Then we should lock the YMMV page after centralizing all the complaints/issues with the ending in a single paragraph.

-Brief resume of what happens

-The problem with the teleporting crew/relay

-Short description of why people complain (Deus/Diabolus Ex Machina, inferred holocaust, etc)

under Broken Base or a similar trope.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:30:06 PM by Anfauglith

Instead, I have learned a horrible truth of existence...some stories have no meaning.
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:29:12 PM

the reapers leaving, people cheering

Doesn't even happen in every ending. And the ending where it does, is pretty much the one where Shepard basically becomes a Reaper.

grandiose music dominated by orchestral strings in a major key,

Okay, but whatever.

Joker and EDI cuddling while the crew looks out over a majestic skyscape above a lush forest, the emphasis on the color green after the predominantly gray warzone,

Doesn't happen in every ending. And still doesn't make sense. For several reasons:

  1. Remember that lush, beautiful planet Jacob's dad landed on? Remember how well that worked out? Remember the lush, beautiful world in ME 1...with the plant life that caused an immediate seizure if breathed in?! You can't use the "beautiful planet" trope to indicate a positive vibe when you just spent two games explaining that said trope doesn't matter.
  2. EDI is an AI that needs her blue box on the ship to survive. Are there any resources on this planet to power it?

the nailed-to-the-cross posture of Shepard

Evangelion also used a lot Faux Symbolism lifted out of Christianity. And that ending wasn't upbeat in the slightest.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:31:49 PM by KingZeal

Swish Long Live the King
Long Live the King
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:31:15 PM

And Renegade Shepard can still keep Wrex alive. He just has to intimidate him at Virmire. I get what you're saying, but it's possible.

A Renegade Shepard can also intimidate Ashley out of the way...

That game wasn't full Renegade. It was Shepard taking neutral options and making friends, and then being a dick to them on purpose. There is a difference between that and full Renegade Shepard...

edited 16th Mar '12 2:32:00 PM by Swish

Frosplosion Fro-ed Wonder from Palm Bay, FL
Fro-ed Wonder
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:34:10 PM

Oooh. I was a neautral Renegade then. Now I'm a Renegadish Paragon because they got right of neutral responses for some reason.

"I know where I am, I just don't know where I am in where I am." - Me
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:34:43 PM

isnt neutral basically failshep?

PacificMackerel what are you doing
what are you doing
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:36:31 PM

Renegade Shepard is an idiot who purposefully gets their comrades killed/wounded/maimed and thinks it's funny, then plummets to his death in the collector base for being a giant retard?

Then again, Video Game Cruelty Potiental in general makes my roll my eyes. Woo, abusing polygons. Big man. Makes you edgy.

Spoiling the ending itself didn't shock me as much, especially since it leaves you a LOT of other spoilers that aren't given out just by the ending.

@Irune - Yeah, I got edit banned, but quite frankly, the amount of bitching deserves it. They Just Didn't Care is particularly stupid.

^ Neutral Shep is sometimes the better option (making peace between the geth and quarians, giving Jacob's dad a Karmic Death...)

edited 16th Mar '12 2:38:26 PM by PacificMackerel

Frosplosion Fro-ed Wonder from Palm Bay, FL
Fro-ed Wonder
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:36:39 PM

It's good for when people can't fully commit to being a raving asshole to everyone and just want to make cool alliances with people.

"I know where I am, I just don't know where I am in where I am." - Me
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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:39:53 PM

"Harvested. That doesn't say anything about wounded, missing or dead. "

Even then, that wouldn't account for 11 billion people. Harvesting is what they do, first and foremost. Killing even 1 billion people would take a long time, especially since it doesn't look like the Reapers are trying to glass the planet outright, just get rid of as much resistance as possible, then corral the rest and start harvesting.

It's not like all of Earth is in a constant hot war with the Reapers, so that rate would likely be accurate. Even if the number of dead humans each day was double that, it would still take 8 years to depopulate the planet. The Reapers can't even manage six months.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:43:31 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:42:54 PM

The YMMV page doesn't need to be locked, just cleaned up. Locking should only occur when a page has been proven to be beyond saving; give it it another week or so for people stop raging and it'll be fine.

#IceBearForPresident
Anfauglith Lord of Castamere
Lord of Castamere
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:44:17 PM

[up][up][up] Indeed.

I repeat that we should create a rather long entry on the endings (a single one) under Broken Base first listing what happened (only the facts) and then describing what is the problem the fanbase has with it (some want happy ending, closure, less Diabolus ex Machina, whatever). And then the rest of the mentions of the goddamn endings should be deleted and replaced with references to said entry, for example "They Just Didn't Care: What many fans accuse Bioware of, see Broken Base" etc.

Anyways I am rather bad at editing Tvtropes, so I just fix mispelled character names, typos and short things like that.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:45:33 PM by Anfauglith

Instead, I have learned a horrible truth of existence...some stories have no meaning.
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where
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Mar 16th 2012 at 2:44:37 PM

Your options are reapers leaving with control and synergy ending, or reapers dying in the destroy ending. Either way, everyone cheers.

Regardless of ending, the crew ends up alive and breathing in a predominantly colorful environment wherein the horizon's placement draws the eye upward to a cloudless blue sky. Objectively, this is an aesthetically pleasing scene that pushes a theme of hope and/or looking to the future which sharply contrasts with the greys and browns and blacks of the last few hours of gameplay. You can apply fridge logic, sure, but that wasn't the point I was making.

As far as Jesus symbolism goes, it doesn't matter who has used a trope and in what unique way they did it. At its thematic center, it alludes to purging sins of the past so that the future can have hope. Unless what you're trying to say is that Evangelion was part of the story of ME 3 all along and therefore its themes automatically apply no exceptions.

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter
Frosplosion Fro-ed Wonder from Palm Bay, FL
Fro-ed Wonder
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:45:30 PM

So I'm watching the Renegade Shepard video, and I get to the part where he shoots Legion after he probably killed off the Geth. Fuck Renegade Shepard...that's not Renegade...that's just fucking evil...no.

I will not cry...

edited 16th Mar '12 2:45:47 PM by Frosplosion

"I know where I am, I just don't know where I am in where I am." - Me
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:46:33 PM

[up][up]

Unless what you're trying to say is that Evangelion was part of the story of ME 3 all along and therefore its themes automatically apply no exceptions.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:47:26 PM by unnown

Anfauglith Lord of Castamere
Lord of Castamere
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:48:00 PM

I agree with you Choobs, but instead of convincing me that they intended everything to end well, it produces a large dissonance that makes me go "what the hell, ending?"

Instead, I have learned a horrible truth of existence...some stories have no meaning.
PacificMackerel what are you doing
what are you doing
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:48:06 PM

Oh, good, I was waiting for that vid.

Swish Long Live the King
Long Live the King
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:48:56 PM

Renegade Shepard is an idiot who purposefully gets their comrades killed/wounded/maimed and thinks it's funny, then plummets to his death in the collector base for being a giant retard?

You must seriously fail at playing the collector base(and loyalty missions as well).

Every loyalty mission you do, you have to choose to fail(Except Tali. Renegade fails that if you opt to never do intimidate options).

Full Renegade isn't about failing missions, it's succeeding but ultimately not caring about how the success occurred. Some actions are funny, some are dickish, and some are outright cruel, but all are necessary. Not because the accomplish the goal, but because, at the time, each decision helps to accomplish the goal quickly and efficiently. Renegade doesn't have comrades. He has subordinates who need to do their job and not question orders that could get them killed. Subordinates that cannot adhere to that don't live long.

A Full Renegade Shepard doesn't have to choose between the geth and the quarians, because Legion was sold to Cerberus. A Full Renegade Shepard doesn't have qualms about not curing the Genophage. And he certainly doesn't execute Mordin for disagreeing, because Mordin doesn't disagree(because the cure wasn't saved).

That is why I adamantly state that the video is not Renegade Shepard. That video is a standard Shepard being an asshole because he can...

edited 16th Mar '12 2:49:13 PM by Swish

Mar 16th 2012 at 2:49:00 PM

[up][up] Fun fact, it was posted September of last year.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:49:37 PM by unnown

Blissey1 insert title here from a random Pokčcenter Relationship Status: I know
insert title here
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:49:14 PM

so, in other news

This weekend is Operation Goliath in ME 3 multiplayer. The community as a whole has to kill 1 million brutes in multiplayer by the end of Monday.

Completing any challenge against the reapers on silver or higher difficulty nets the whole squad a special pack that has one of the n7 collectors edition weapons from single player.

If the community reaches their goal, everyone gets a Victory Pack. Wonder what that will have in it.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:50:34 PM by Blissey1

XP granted for befriending a giant magical spider!
Spirit Pretty flower from America Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:53:18 PM

That is cool. I'm off to do my part now.

#IceBearForPresident
fakeangelbr The Awesomest Character from Fortaleza, Brazil
The Awesomest Character
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:55:09 PM

C'mom guys, off to the showers computers.

Those brutes aren't going to kill itself.

Donate money to Skullgirls, get a sweet poster.
Frosplosion Fro-ed Wonder from Palm Bay, FL
Fro-ed Wonder
Mar 16th 2012 at 2:55:39 PM

1 million Brutes? 1 and 6 zeros? Holy crap, where would you store all the bodies?

I'll be playing later tonight. Good thing I have an Engineer with buffed Incinerate.

edited 16th Mar '12 2:56:24 PM by Frosplosion

"I know where I am, I just don't know where I am in where I am." - Me

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