The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

I liked that Breath of the Wild had this big open world, but to me the combat felt clunky. Every time I was in a fight I was struggling with the controls. That, and the fact that enemies tend to either kill you in one hit or do no damage at all, with only brief periods where they're just the right level of challenge. I died a lot from one-hit KOs when I went on my quest to raise all the towers early on, and that's antithetical to the idea of a game that says you can do anything in any order. There are some balance issues that need addressing in the next game is what I'm saying.

I've been pretty freaked out about getting killed horribly because I went somewhere where the enemies are way too strong.

The lack of balance is a thing.

what's wrong with Bot W's controls? :o

Well, the fact that the run button is a face button is pretty dumb. You can't run and move the camera unless you hold the controller with your hand in a claw shape. More personally, I don't see why a jump button exists. Earlier games didn't need one, and neither does BotW really, and it just makes me forget jumping in combat exists because I'm used to that being the A button.

I think Link would only work with a beard if it's an older Link than the one we're used to. I'm talking in his 30's here.

So just came across this:

And here's the original scene for comparison:

I kinda think the way Zelda gets caught works better here (it happens instantly and she's clearly no longer conscious, as of course G-dorf would want to make sure she can't do anything). Though watching the original again, it does seem like she blacks out when he actually takes the crystal away, but that could just be her looking up in horror...or graphical limitations.

It does remind me of one of the biggest questions of this part of the game: why did she decide to meet him there? Did she think the Temple was somehow safer (maybe because it's the only part of Hyrule Castle Town that's untouched, or did she think Ganondorf wasn't watching somehow? It seems like it was done entirely so as to facilitate her capture (though I'm not sure if there's really any other place they could have tried considering that the big G had his hands nearly everywhere even if Link had been rectifying that.

Also, I'm unclear how old Zelda and Link are supposed to be anymore. Like many, I though they were 10 in the past, and 17 in the future, but I recall Hyrule Historia and other statements from Word of God saying otherwise.

I could use some clarification on that honestly.

There's official material describing Wind Waker Link as 12 years old, and as I recall he's supposed to be the same age as the Hero of Time per Outcast Island's traditions, so I assume in OoT kid Link is 12 and adult Link is 19.

Huh. I've been reading that Link is 10 and 17 in OOT since 1998, and never heard different. WW Link is approximately the same age.

The thing about WW Link being the same age of the hero of time is that (1) his deeds prior to the 7 year time skip are only known to a small handful, who probably never really got the chance to spread the truth about his actions; and (2) since this takes place in the Adult timeline, it would make sense that WW Link was the same age as that Link, but he doesn't look like it (though to be fair, that could be the art style) and more importantly, doesn't really act like a 17-19 year old as he definitely seems more like a little kid.

The only explanation left is that people were wrong about how old they thought he was. I'm willing to consider that he's actually around 14-15 at the youngest.

I don't think kid Link's deeds would be that unknown. Zelda and all the Sages know about them, and they're the most important people in Hyrule and ones most likely to put the fact together to make the legend we hear in WW. The Hero of Time's deeds in the adult timeline are probably one of the better recorded for public knowledge.

I remember reading Ocarina Link's age as 9 and 16 somewhere

I vaguely remembered that, and in fact I think I posted that myself sometime before, but didn't think to double check that when I last posted. Yeah, that's actually right. In an old interview with Miyamoto on OoT he said that he imaged child Link to be about 7 or 8, and in a more recent interview between him and Iwata on the 3DS remake he said that child Link is 9 and adult Link is 16.

Yeah. So both Young Link and Zelda are one year younger than what we thought they are as both kids and adults (and in fact, can't really be called adults since you aren't really an adult until 18).

...you know, if Toon Link is supposed to be 16, I could buy it. Sure, he still seems smaller and younger than OOT Link 7 years later, but maybe his more jovial mannerisms stem from growing up more normally.

Tetra being more...testy than OOT Zelda might also stem from differing backgrounds.

Wind Waker Link is 12. As I posted earlier, there's places like the official Japanese site that say that. It doesn't match up with either of OoT Link's ages.

Not like documentation on the Hero of Time's exact age would be all that important when everyone is drowning.

12?

So much for being the same age as the hero of time.

Lies! That game lied to me! Rob will never forgive!

Makes sense as to why Wind Waker Link is more qualified to wield the Master Sword in comparison to his Ocarina self I suppose.

It's more likely that after the debacle with G-dorf, Fi decided it might be wise to lower the age limit a little...

And it now occurs to me WHY the Master Sword insisted on having Link be a certain age before letting him wield it: He was the first Link to use the Sword since the one from SS and she still had his template as her ideal master.

I can see that. And in TWW, when her power had been sapped, she couldn't just stick Toon Link into time stasis like she did OOT Link, and by the time he restored the sword's power, he proved himself worthy at his current age.

Yes!

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<Runs off to post shit>

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 20th 2018 at 9:34:35 AM

I was going to say something about how A Link to the Past didn't have that rule, but apparently the manual artwork portrays him as an old teenager. So, uh, nevermind.

Yeah, Link in the original 4 games as a teenager. Then came OOT which kid-ified him, followed by MM, TWW, and Minish Cap which solidified that, and then the ALTTP remake and 4S which retconned ALTTP for him to be kid-aged as well. TP was the game that repopularized the adult Link, just due to how well he worked for the tone of the game.

he was a kid in Zelda 1 too, though

Yeah, Zelda I and Zelda II had the same Link, with a six-year gap between them. So technically we had both Child Link and Teen Link years before Ocarina came out.

(Though neither of them wielded the Master Sword!)

Edited by scionofgrace on Nov 20th 2018 at 11:26:11 AM

So wait, if Link has always been a young kid, does that mean some of the Zeldas have been quite young as well?