Since we have a thread discussing the video game industry, I thought it would be appropriate to have a thread discussing the practices and going ons of the film and tv industries. Especially in light of recent news surrounding the sets of Batwoman
and Rust.
This will not be about films and tv shows but rather about the practices and behind-the-scenes news affecting the industries.
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Just how many layers this fuck-up has...
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The cops have stated there has been no proof of INTENTIONAL use of live ammo on set. The Rumors of target shooting on set or the gun being taken off set to be test fired are still rumors at this time.
The reality may be MUCH WORSE, its believed that live rounds were mixed up with the dummy rounds and the armorer didn't/couldn't properly inspect and confirm the dummy rounds were actually dummy rounds. The FBI report confirms this, that live rounds were found in various places around the set mixed in and with dummys, the last check to confirm each round loaded into the gun was a dummy and not live was not completed properly (The Armorer when loading, the AD before handing it to Baldwin, and Baldwin himself could have asked for the check to be completed in front of him before taking the gun). Hence one (or two) live rounds were loaded into the gun before Baldwin took it and fired it.
And before anybody asked "Why was the Gun Loaded with ANYTHING?" On replica revolvers you can see into the cylinder and can tell if the gun is loaded or not, so they use dummy rounds to give the illusion of the gun being fully loaded without using real bullets.
Blanks don't have a projectile, so they can't be used for this purpose.
So many layers...and we are still finding more, this set was a complete SHIT SHOW in terms of safety PERIOD the New Mexico version of OSHA wrote an utterly scathing report on that
Edited by ShadowWingLG on Jan 20th 2023 at 12:24:38 PM
“Adult Swim has ended its association with Justin Roiland,” a spokesperson said in a statement Tuesday.
Following Roiland’s exit, Rick and Morty will continue, with title characters, which had been voiced by Roiland, recast.
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I would say that they should have just cut the cord entirely for how inextricably tied to Roiland the whole franchise is, but that would have screwed over the rest of the cast and crew, so... I can't really fault this course of action, not on the heels of so much other shit that's been happening in the animation sphere.
Well, they do that in Japan and Asian countries, why they shouldn't do that in the States to begin with, in order to give a good message to both actors and producers alike?
Through I kinda understand why they didn't, considering the possibility of lawsuits and similar stuff.
I wonder if people who make "Worst movies ever" lists have actually seen the movies on their lists.
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Oh, bother.
I don't see why we should assume they haven't.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I'm too tired to untangle these triples negatives.
Oh, bother.
That's only double negatives.
The point is that there's no real reason to just assume bad faith on their part. Unless you have an actual example of this you'd care to discuss.
Edited by M84 on Jan 30th 2023 at 8:22:26 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Just saw James Gunn speaking on DC's multi-year plan to bring together their film, television, animation and print comics.
It sounds very ambitious, but possibly a good challenge to Marvel's monopoly in superhero media.
I was most intrigued by mention of having actors in live media voice in animation the same characters they play onscreen. Has this been attempted before?
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Yeah. Hellboy did it with the movie cast voicing the characters in a pair of animated features.
Not Three Laws compliant.
^Thanks for the reply! I didn't know that.
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I'm going to ask this because this is a big doozy? How did the 2007 writers' strikes affect the quality of shows in the long run? I mean, a lot of endings in movies and TV shows (coughcoughgameofthronescoughcough) have become unsatisfactory over the years.
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The 2007 Writer's Strike really fucked up a lot of shows in 2007, but it didn't make writing worse in the long run. The actual issue is more that Prestige TV writing is really, really hard and sticking a landing is really difficult in general. The idea that a stronger bargaining agreement makes for a worse end product is, uh, not accurate, especially in creative fields. Having more financial security is a good thing for writers.
And the Game of Thrones ending being the way that it was is entirely the fault of the showrunners. HBO basically begged them to add at least one more season, but they suddenly started insisting they'd always intended for 75 hours of content (which had never been mentioned before) and it's just a coincidence that them trying to rush the ending happened to line up with everyone giving them offers. And then they rushed the ending and fucked it up and most of the offers dried up as a direct result.
One thing people forget, I think, is that one of the advantages of episodic storytelling is that if you write a bad episode, it's just a bad episode. In serial storytelling, a bad episode can ruin the whole show. Doctor Who and 60s/90s Star Trek both have several infamously bad episodes, but because the shows are very episodic in general, bad episodes can just be written off and even a bad finale is relatively easy to ignore. The tradeoff is that an episodic show is pretty limited in how ambitious it can be.
Edited by Zendervai on Feb 2nd 2023 at 8:14:41 AM
Not Three Laws compliant.
Many of the Animated shows are now trying to get the live action actors to do the voices. Matt Ryan did Constantine in many of the DC Animated films.
Aside from the offers D&D were getting that led to Game of Thrones being cut short, I remember Lindsay Ellis' videos about Game of Thrones talked about how some writers for prestige TV took the wrong lesson from the ending of The Sopranos and the audience reaction to it, that being "a memorable, controversial ending is the same as a good one". In addition, the increase of interaction with fan culture and fan theories led to an increased emphasis on "subverting expectations" for the sake of it.
There was that infamous quote by Benioff about themes being for 8th-grade book reports, after all, but there was also the case where writers of Westworld realized that people on Reddit were already "onto" an upcoming twist, and rewrote it.
Prosecutors said evidence shows Baldwin was not present for required firearms training prior to the start of filming. Guiterrez-Reed told investigators she realized the actor needed more training and thought additional safety sessions were "very important" for Baldwin, given his character's use of guns throughout the film.
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Well, that's not good.
Stephen Moffatt seems to have done that with Sherlock and the result was some incoherent as hell twists and the way the show never actually resolves the Reichenbach Falls thing. It just throws a bunch of theories out, goes "these are stupid", has a couple that don't get that reaction and then it never clearly states which one was right.
The thing with the Game of Thrones guys is that they're not bad at adapting, but they're terrible at filling in the gaps. Part of the reason the last couple seasons just feel like cliff's notes is because they're adapting from a basic outline and are seemingly skipping over most of the gaps GRRM didn't bother to fill in.
Not Three Laws compliant.
IIRC there have been leaked/published videos from Baldwin's Police Interviews post the shooting where he is explaining in detail the differences between blanks and dummy bullets to the detective interviewing him, blowing a hole in any "Me Dumb Monkey Actor knows nothing about guns/bullets" defense.
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Dear England,
I demand you make a Garth Marenghi's Darkplace revival.
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Here's why Warner Bros. is suing the South Park guys and Paramount for $200 million
Warner Bros. Discovery has just hit its rivals over at Paramount with a $200 million lawsuit, alleging that the company has, basically, screwed them over for several years now in regards to streaming rights for Comedy Central’s South Park. And make no mistake about it: These people are pissed. We’ve never seen a corporate-penned lawsuit like this use big, angry chapter headings like THE ILLICIT CONSPIRACY EMERGES. (Actual quote.)
The core of the issue is a deal that Warner signed back in 2019 with South Park Digital Studios (SPDS), the company that makes the show, and which is co-owned by Paramount and series creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone. (Who, due to some savvy deal-making back in the very early days of the internet, get fully half of whatever streaming revenue the series picks up, an arrangement that has made both men billionaires.) The deal saw Warner—desperate for “anchor” content for its then-new HBO Max streaming service—pay an exorbitant $1,687,500 per episode fee for exclusive streaming rights to the show’s back catalogue, and for 30 more episodes to be delivered in the form of three more seasons. (So, yes: The streaming rights for “Not Without My Anus” almost certainly cost more than your house.)
But a funny thing happened on the way to Season 24: Paramount ditched its flailing CBS All Access streaming service and rebranded its online efforts as Paramount+. And suddenly, the company was announcing that its “brand new” streaming service was going to have some “brand new” South Park content, too. Not new episodes, mind you—that would breach the HBO Max contract. And not “specials,” because then they’d have to offer them to HBO Max first, as they did with 2021's 50-minute “Pandemic Special” and “Vaccination Special.” For a minute, they tried calling them “movies,” but then Warner Bros. reminded Paramount that it co-produced the actual South Park movie, 1999's Bigger, Longer, And Uncut, and thus retained the rights to veto any future South Park films. So instead, they just gave up and called them “events.” (There have been four so far: 2021's Post-COVID and its sequel, and 2022's Streaming Wars Part 1 and Part 2, all exclusive to Paramount+.)
Meanwhile, per the lawsuit, HBO Max was also pissed to learn that SPDS was retroactively declaring that the two 2021 specials that had made their way to HBO Max after airing on Comedy Central “counted” as the entirety of the show’s 24th season, and that Season 25 of the series, which aired in 2022, was only going to be 6 episodes long. (The current Season 26, the last covered by the streaming deal, is also expected to be truncated.) SPDS reportedly claimed that production was delayed and shortened by COVID, but, as the lawsuit points out, that didn’t seem to stop the Paramount+ “events” from being cranked out.
Ultimately, it all comes back to money: Warner Bros. contends that it only paid that huge flat per-episode fee in the first place because it was assured it would come with a) 30 full new episodes of content delivered in a timely fashion, and b) exclusive streaming rights to the show, neither of which really seems to have happened. So they’re suing for breach of contract against Paramount, SPDS (including Parker and Stone) and MTV, alleging damages of $200 million.
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WB better hope the contract actually says 30 episodes and not something like "three seasons of up to 30 episodes total".
Not Three Laws compliant.
My understanding is that they actually weren’t, someone (I think the armourer) took the gun off set to do some personal shooting with it and then returned it to set without unloading it properly.
Edited by Silasw on Jan 20th 2023 at 5:44:24 PM
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