After finally watching The Last Jedi I find all the people in the movies saying Kylo Ren is redeemable to be kinda bullshit, what with all the parent murdering. It's like, geez Luke, your only mistake was hesitating.
Edited by Mullon on Oct 30th 2019 at 10:43:43 AM
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Don't read the stuff the writers/directors said about Vader doing worse things and being redeemed then XD
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Well, with Kylo and Vader, I would argue the former is harder to redeem than the latter. Not because Vader isn't worse, but because Kylo more consciously rejects redemption.
Vader, as I interpret him, kind of secretly wanted to be good, but just didn't believe that was possible after how much evil he's done. Kylo, by contrast, knows he can be good, and actively fights against it.
To be fair, that Kylo Ren is so proactive in his rejection of redemption actually does, strangely, imply something good about his character: He feels a genuine temptation toward goodness.
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Not even implied, IIRC he straight up says outright in the films that the Light Side is pulling him.
Edited by TheAirman on Oct 30th 2019 at 10:15:03 AM
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Yeah is the diference, Anakin di really belive he can do good in being a imperalist and then he just sort of stuck in it.
Kylo in fact feel the light as temptation which is one of the few novel concept of the NT, so he kinda overcompensate is "weakness" by being over the top evil.
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A character who actively, climactically chooses to reject redemption in the narrative (twice, no less) is always going to be harder to redeem than an character for whom has never faced the choice before (in the story) and has to handle it for the first time.
That's also why, say, there was no way Anakin was getting redeemed in the prequel story even if we didn't already know he became Vader: in that particular story, he received his choice and made it, and so the plot had to stick with it.
I don't know whether or not Rise is going to redeem Kylo, but if they do I'd be interested to see how they would make it not look like the writers second guessing themselves.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Benioff and Weiss's trilogy would have apparently been about the "origins of the Jedi."
Thank fuck that didn't happen.
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I like the concept! I'm just not sure I like the idea of them, specifically, tackling the concept.
Agreed. As a concept its pretty cool but given their previous original content idea (where the south wins the Civil War) and how they flubbed once they ran out of SOIAF books...
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Yeah the origin of the Jedi needs someone with a bit more........ chutzpah managing it.
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Yeah, Kylo's entire thing is that no matter how bad he tries to be, he's still conflicted. He hesitates in killing Han, hesitates in trying to kill Leia, constantly is attempting to make himself feel powerful and in-charge like Darth Vader before him.
He couldn't pull the trigger on Leia. It was his wingmen that did.
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Edited by HamburgerTime on Oct 31st 2019 at 5:22:07 AM
I also don't how Kylo's idea of getting ride of the Jedi and Sith and imposing order on the galaxy is different from what the Sith do already.
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Would that it were so simple.
Is that Abeloth?
That looks nice. Some of that old Legends creepiness.
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Yes. It's one of the illustrations from the upcoming "director's cut," if you will, of Supernatural Encounters.
Another sign that a more fantasy or eldritch leaning Star Wars film would be pretty neat.
As long as it keeps that pulp adventure plotting, it should be pretty cool.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2019 at 9:03:18 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I kept saying a movie of star wars full of villians trying to loot a ancient sith tomb would be great
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I have an idea with that kind of plot in the Star Wars universe which I'm planning to write out one day (the Princess Bride-style story I mention every once in a while), but my wildest hopes aside the chances of me ever pitching a Star Wars film successfully to Disney are pretty much nil.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2019 at 9:25:44 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Random bit of trivia: Did you know that Hux's ship, the Finalizer, actually appears in both TFA and TLJ, and survives both? Anyone want to bet on who or what will blow it up in TROS?
The Finalizer will be brought down by none other than Therm Scissorpunch .
Therm Scissorpunch? Who does that remind me of?
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I put my faith in Blast Hardcheese.
but HOW?
Regardless, the movies didn't do a good job at explaining much of anything about the overall state of the galaxy. The crazy thing is, they probably could of just added an extra paragraph to the opening crawl of TFA and it would of solved most of the problem.
Edited by Falrinn on Oct 30th 2019 at 10:22:22 AM