The General Star Wars Thread

Honestly, I would like the writers to recycle that idea, in a future work.

And depending on when it is located in the timeline, the Jedi that they would have to face would be Leia, Rey or some member of the Rey's Jedi order.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 28th 2021 at 6:53:51 AM

I'd rather not.

Maul had his time in the limelight and an amazing send-off.

Bringing him back in some form at this point would just be stupid.

Well, there is one last story left to tell about Maul, how he went from Major Crime Boss to Crazy Hermit on Malachor.

Yeah, I wonder if he'll have a series or something that shows his downfall from boss of the Crimson Dawn to a crazy hermit.

I'm guessing that if Solo's arc had been continued in a Lando or Q'ira movie, we would've gotten that story.

We can still his mob boss era in bad batch. I expect a lot of clone wars storylines they couldn't do will end up their.

Bad Batch, if it's right after the Clone Wars, would be during the period where he's still trying to escape Sidious' eye.

So we could see how he started rather then him in his prime?

I mean, he's still a crime boss around that time.

We see his subordinate syndicate leaders in the Clone Wars finale, although Maul ordered them to lay low due to the Republic's looming fall.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Feb 28th 2021 at 7:24:04 PM

I still wager that Vader himself will eventually pay Maul a visit, easily destroy him and everything he has and then leave him alive with nothing deliberately.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 28th 2021 at 7:57:15 PM

Not sure Vader would deliberately leave them alive - though I assume he'll be in some way involved in Maul's fall from power, considering the latter seems acutely aware of his inability to fight Vader in Rebels (implying he actuall encountered him at some point).

Though it's worth noting that the crime syndicates he controlled outlived him. According to canon, the Crimson Dawn was still around after Endor, although it lost a lot of its power and relevance, being eclipsed by other organisations.

Maul seemed to know what was coming in the last season of Clone Wars, and he didn't even think he could handle the Jedi Anakin, so his chances against the Sith he'd become would be nonexistant and he knew it.

For all we know, Vader crashed the Crimson Dawn and Maul tried to run with his tail between his legs and ended up stranding himself somewhere.

I mean, his plan in the finale was to lure Obi-Wan to Mandalore specifically because he assumed he'd bring Anakin with him, so either he (for some reason) thought he could take on both of them or he wanted to somehow convince Obi-Wan to help him.

It's Ahsoka who points out that Maul likely wouldn't last long against Anakin.

I have one VERY theoretical and what if question, let said for the sake of argument, that all sith villians like maul, ventress, dooku and grevious end alive and winning and the empire is stablish, what post you could see them in the new empire with palpatine in the head(you know, before the despose it because is what he does)?.

Would the Separatists winning establish anything close to what Sidious even wanted though? At best it'd split a significant chunk from the Republic's systems. Following that I guess they could be generals for Sidious till they manage to finally conquer the whole thing, then they outlive any usefulness.

Well, we know that the Republic winning was his preferred endgame, because when the time came to push a button and end the war, he made the Republic the victors. He also controlled the Seps, but since they weren't really out for conquest it would have been a little trickier to get what he wanted from them. Maybe he would have ordered the clones to stand down, then moved the droid armies in, surrendered as the Supreme Chancellor, and declared victory as Sidious.

That assumes that victory was ever in the cards for the Separatists in the first place.

In Rebels the protagonists enouncter a super tactical droid named Kalani who's still leading a small remnant of the Confederate droid army on Agamar.

When Anakin sent the shut-down signal from Mustafar, most of the Separatist forces complied, but Kalani ignored the command because according to his calculations, ''it didn't make any logical sense.

Based on the numbers Kalani had access to, the Separatists' forces outnumbered the Republic's on multiple fronts and still had a realistic chance of victory.

So Kalani deduced that the signal was a Republic trick and refused to comply.

While the Separatists' civilian leadership had some legitimate grievances, they never had any real power within the movement, being strung along by Dooku and his corporate allies.

That their military leadership was headed by General Grievous and regularly engaged in war crimes essentially villified them in the eyes of the Republic's population. There's a reason Grievous' capture or death was seen necessary to end the war.

As Ezra made both Kalani and Rex realise, at the end of the day both the clones and droids were just pawns to give rise to the Galactic Empire - neither of them won.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Feb 28th 2021 at 10:13:22 AM

Sidious ensured that many Republic victories would be possible through leaks of Separatists' movements through his "intelligence department" and then passed down to the military and the Jedi. After all, it's evident that nobody knew where General Grievous was until Palpatine conveniently gives it to Anakin.

And vice versa, Palpatine arranged for many Separatist leaders to evade capture through legal BS (like with Wat Tembor), a trade-off (like with Grievous for Anakin), or a rescue (Ventress to rescue Nut Gunray). So logically, Palpatine could end the war any time he likes. It's when things are not under his control that he drops all pretenses like he did with Maul.

The Clone Wars was just Sidious playing chess against himself. So he could always go back to shift things as he wanted with no one being suspicious, and even then, there were many close calls.

It's legitimately difficult to find something bad in Skywalker saga-era Star Wars that can't be traced back to Palpatine somehow

All the more reason why he should have been the big bad of the sequel trilogy from the beginning. It would make perfect sense for him to have a contingency plan that would allow him to rebuild his strength while distracting from his true purpose.

Sure, which is why JJ thought it was a good idea. But he was blatantly shoved in at the last minute instead of letting the films actually build up to it.

Someone (I think it was in this thread) said that the perfect time would be at the end of The Last Jedi. Snoke is dead, the Resistance is calling for help and no one is answering... and then Palpatine answers, and they all realize how utterly screwed they are.

I'm just imagining Palpatine showing up to pull Luke's stunt from TLJ now and I'm laughing.

The problem was that they tried to use Snoke as the new Big Bad apparent and refused to give any answers to his relations to Palpatine in TFA and TLJ. Thus they wasted two films that could have lead to Palpatine's return in a natural way.

Of course the real problem overall, when accounting for Trevorrow's script, is that they refuse to make Kylo Ren the true villain of ST on the grounds that he's the last Skywalker and thus they don't want the bloodline to end with him being an unrepentant villain.

Which is why Rey Skywalker was so popular prior to TLJ.

I personally love the idea of Palpatine as a Posthumous Character and the idea that he is the cause of the problems of the sequel trilogy more than a generation removed from his death. Bringing him back personally as the villain is the cheap way out, as all they had to do was kill him again.