The General Star Wars Thread

Did Poe commit any detention-worthy acts between Leia's fall and the mutiny?

And would arresting one of the Resistance's most popular heroes, for asking legitimate questions that most people on the ship shared, do well for the already bad morals of the crew?

Edited by jawal on Apr 30th 2024 at 2:00:41 PM

It doesn't help that the Poe and Holdo subplot is undermined by Snoke somehow already knowing about the escape pods, what with him have a magnifying glass to look at them.

Poe: Wait, so they knew we were leaving the whole time!

Holdo: I’m running a fleet. I don’t account for sorcerer bullshit.

I think Po and Holdo were also the wrong characters for this type of plot. When I saw the previous movie, I didn't get the impression that Po was a maverick type character. The first things we see him do are prioritize the mission (trying to get BB-8 to safety) and later we see him follow orders and work with his squadron. It feels like trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

Holdo also wasn't an established figure so I had no way of knowing if she was acting in character or out of character. If it was Obi-wan or Ahsoka giving those orders (it would still be out of character for both of them to not explain themselves) but I could at least assume that they had a good reason for acting so weird.

Huh, using Jedi force sensing for navigation and detection would be an interesting way to get around stuff like that. Like say the rebellion does send out 50 escape pods. A strong force user could probably pick out some priority targets (at the very least other Jedi).

Edited by Freshwater on Apr 30th 2024 at 7:54:06 AM

The escape pod plan was revealed by Poe when talking to Rose and Finn, which DJ overheard and bargained with to the First Order for his freedom. That's it's own problem, but the reveal that cloak scanners exist means that plan relied on the enemy not doing what should be standard battlefield procedure.

I guess I gotta defend Holdo, again. But if the Resistance didn't think that hyperspace tracking could become a thing (I've already gone over multiple times that this shouldn't be new anyway but I digress) we can also assume they didn't think that they would have the means to track cloaking devices.

Gee, it's almost as if the worldbuilding is constantly being thrown for a loop for the sake of preserving "twists." If that doesn't tell you how important they consider technology and lore I don't know what does.

So....how about that Holdo maneuver am I right? One in a million.

Yeah, I know. Never tell Holdo the odds.

Or what the word, contrived means.

Enough about The Last Jedi for now, how are feeling about the previews for the Acolyte?

It would have been a very different but much more hilarious ending if Holdo's maneuver didn't work and had just shot off into hyper space leaving the rebellion behind.

Edited by Freshwater on Apr 30th 2024 at 10:44:07 AM

I'm wondering if we'll see more High Republic characters or places. We know that Vernestra Rwoh is going to be in the series (which... wow, I didn't know Miralians lived that long), but some of the other characters from long-lived species might still be around. Burryaga and so on.

As for locations, I'd be down if places like Hetzal or Valo made an appearance.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 30th 2024 at 10:46:25 AM

Ryan Johnson did comment about the maneuver, adamantly refusing to call it a Plot Hole or contrived.

https://www.inverse.com/article/40534-the-last-jedi-rian-johnson-holdo-maneuver-hyperdrive-plot-hole

Edited by jawal on Apr 30th 2024 at 6:49:03 PM

we can also assume they didn't think that they would have the means to track cloaking devices.

Going off the wiki their cloaking devices are purely hiding their ships engine exhaust, it isn't visual or anything and so could be foiled via just looking in that direction at the right time.

Kinda like Snoke did with that giant magnifying glass.

Clone Wars had an episode where a ship had a cloaking device and it was naked eye invisible too. Like most Stealth in Space examples it played like a battleship vs submarine fight, conventional sensors can pick up something is off but requires luck to actually catch it.

And fictional technology is exactly that, it's whatever the writers want it to be. It just takes effort to make it plausible in the setting and not a Hand Wave to get to the next plot point.

Clone Wars is also a kid's show. I imagine that it's invisible to fight too because kids hear "cloaking" and think "invisible." It's not like an M-rated game like Mass Effect where the audience can understand "Nobody looks out of a window to see anything due to the vast distances of space and sensors have longer range, so all we have to do is cover our engine emissions.

They even bring that up at one point in the sequel when Joker makes a crack about "Only way they'd see us coming now is if they look out a window."

Im just gonna close out the Holdo discussion by saying what Holdo would say had she rocketed off to space and missed the Supremacy.

Holdo:……… Well……… SHIT!

As for Acolyte. Have there been any news on whether any former Sith Lords from legends are gonna be making an appearance? Or is this all speculation still?

There hasn't been any confirmation, though I do have my own speculation . Since the series takes place 100 years before The Phantom Menace, if enough of Darth Plagueis is/becomes canon it would be in the timeframe of Darth Tenebrous at least being alive. This goes to my theory the protagonist is either a rival apprentice to Tenebrous or the apprentice he had before getting Plagueis

The show is taking place 100 years before Phantom Menace right?

The ruling Sith of the time should be Darth Tenebrbrous, who was made canon in the Disney's continuity.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Tenebrous

Plaguis, Bane and Zanaha were always canon, since the Prequel's movies.

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I don't know if the Sith will appear in the show though, the synopsis in Wikipedia imply that the danger will come from a former padawan, and none of the named characters seem to be a Sith.

Edited by jawal on Apr 30th 2024 at 11:25:03 AM

I'll stop talking about the Holdo stuff after this.

I just want to say "It might even be some kind of galactic war crime," is the most hilarious explanation that Ryan Johnson could have given. It explains nothing and raises so many questions. I love it.

Amusingly, he did end up kind of being right. The High Republic shows that causing any kind of collision disaster with hyperspace is a big no no that could potentially have far reaching effects.

If any of the shards of either ship ended up still accelerating into hyperspace, that could've been extremely bad.

I will say this about the Holdo subplot, the actual shot of the ships colliding is incredible. With the complete silence of the action, you can really feel the weight of what's happening. I haven't really felt that sort of weight many times in films, and this is one of those times.

Like I get it's just a superficial 'it felt nice though' but I still think that scene should be given kudos (at least for the execution of the scene itself, not necessarily the context, though I don't know where I lie on the Holdo plotline myself).

Let’s change subjects. What is one of your favorite ships in Star Wars.

After putting some thought into it I wanna mention the T.I.E. Fighter. The classic look of the TIE fighter is just so classic and simple. The next favorite is the T.I.E. Hunter from legends used by the Imperial Storm Commandos. They basically made evil X Wings and it’s pretty cool. Also the Interceptor. Beautiful look.

True. It's one of the best shots in the ST, imo.

It's kind of interesting that we only really started getting big dramatic ship collision moments recently. Within I think just a couple years from each other, we got Holdo in TLJ, Sato in Rebels, and the huge collision pileup gambit in Rogue One.

I wonder when we'll see Hammerhead Corvettes again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 30th 2024 at 4:52:00 AM

I thought of this hilarious dialogue idea based on that scene from Season 7 of The Clone Wars where Mace Windu tries and fails to get the Battle Droids to surrender. But with a twist.

Darth Vader: All of you listen closely. At this point in the war, I have personally killed over thousands of you Rebel Soldiers. I am giving you the rare opportunity to surrender and lay down your weapons so that you can be rehabilitated into the Galactic Empire and serve a more productive purpose than spreading seeds of insurrection and uprising which you continue to inflict upon the galaxy.

Rebel Soldier:............ OPEN FIRE! (Rebels start to shoot at Vader)

Edited by Patar136 on Apr 30th 2024 at 6:15:23 AM

Eh, the different context makes it a lot less funny and way more tragic.

The rebels know their odds suck even if Anakin is alone. They know what he can do. But fuck if they're going to let themselves be turned into the Empire's slaves.

Edited by M84 on Apr 30th 2024 at 9:24:24 PM