Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

Seteth himself admits that due to the war they had Flayn to fight as a child. His wife dying + Flayn falling into a coma from a lethal hit caused him to prioritize Flayn over everything else and go in the other direction of an overbearing dad.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 27th 2021 at 6:28:30 AM

And they did so likely because they had to explain where Edelgard's disgust towards Rhea and co. from the other routes comes from. SS/VW tells you she knows Seteth & Flayn are Nabateans and because of that they mean trouble in her eyes, while AM it's more explicit with Edelgard's hate towards the church without elaborating much on it, so it makes sense from a logical standpoint to explain in Edelgard's story the genesis of her bias.

We do know Flayn overall has had a very sheltered life, not helped with having to fight in a war then falling unconscious for a ton of hundreds of years and then going into hiding for the sake of preventing someone of abusing her special blood.

Edited by Blackress on Apr 27th 2021 at 7:33:08 PM

Gives us a roof for Flayn's numeral age, but not her biological one which makes it all the more harder to pinpoint at what exact age she participated in the War of Heroes (internal files/datamines do say she's supposed to be 17 though), along with not knowing when exactly Seteth and his wife conceived her.

I guess Edelgard's views might make her come off as Unintentionally Unsympathetic at times, even in her own route.

I do wonder though, how many years did Seteth and Flayn spent living in seclusion, and where exactly?

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 27th 2021 at 8:46:40 AM

Fodlan is prety isolated in all parts of it.

Even in a nation with a more centralized government like Adrestia has the entire village of Timotheos hidden within its forests.

The difference between the Slithers and Edelgard on their views on the Nabateans is that the former want genocide and the latter is content with removal of their political power.

Like Edelgard is willing to spare Rhea and demand a surrender on CF, and even on non-CF she is willing to spare Rhea for her own purposes and as a weapon against Slithers but not in the same way Sothis was used given how Rhea is still alive after 5 years.

Contrast that to Thales who takes pleasure in the fact that Rhea will die in CF and wants to use the Empire to take over the rest of the world which is where Edelgard draws the line.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:12:01 PM

After spending years gaslighting Rhea and even killing Seteth and Flayn if the chance arises, which does her no favors because every time Rhea says something to her Edelgard just responds with cool sounding one liners, and dismissing the views of a being because you think its lacking humanity is not a good look when she works wirh those who do the exact same thing.

Thats kind of the problem with saying she just wants them removed from power, where do they go? Because unlike the other two, those three are social individuals who do desire to live with others and Edelgard refuses to allow them to mingle with humans.

And when she does keep Rhea alive on the other routes, Hubert reveals its to be used as a weapon against the Agarthans while keeping her in poor health. So at best she views them as weapons to be used against her enemies and at worst they dont have a right to exist in her world or with humans and the most shes willing to reconcile is kicking them out of society. Which is still what the Agarthans also want.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 28th 2021 at 1:53:39 AM

If you do the Linhardt/Leonie paralogue on CF, Lin suggests not informing El and Hubert of their plans, which implies they will be hostile towards Indech due to him being one of the Saints (or at least Lin thinks they will).

Indech literally just sits in a lake and challenges humans for amusement purposes.

Edited by YnK on Apr 28th 2021 at 2:58:40 AM

And when he tells Byleth they can inform Edelgard later, Indech vanished after giving his Bow, and makes sure to avoid calling Indech a Saint to Byleth. So he intentionally keeps his true identity a secret.

Thales would want Seteth and Flayn dead if he was in that map while Edelgard doesn’t really care either way and is just focused on Rhea. So yes while Edegard’s atheism is not exactly moral she ain’t genocidal.

There’s also the matter that the Slithers want Byleth dead most of all, not just Rhea and the other green hairs. Something Edelgard is much against.

So no, the Slithers don’t win that much in a CF verse.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 28th 2021 at 7:22:44 AM

Byleth loses their divine power which is definitely a win, because the goddess they curse can no longer influence the world.

And? Edelgard not being genocidal in her racism isn't some kind of beneficence.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Apr 28th 2021 at 4:29:03 AM

See, this is why you don't include a 100% evil faction that makes everyone else look like angels in your story...

Yes, I was just emphasizing there is a difference between Thales and Edelgard regarding their approach to the children of the goddess.

Even I noted Edelgard’s behavior isn’t exactly moral. I’m just replying to Omega’s assertion that Edelgard and Thales are basically the same.

That really doesn’t matter to the Slithers since they still see Byleth as Sothis power or no power, and still get killed by Byleth in CF in the epilogue.

I still say Edelgard should have disposed of the Slithers midway and still war with Rhea.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 28th 2021 at 7:56:59 AM

Getting rid of the Agarthans midwar is a dumb idea when you remember Edelgard is using them and their resources to stack the deck in her favor as much as possible.

Yeah but the Agarthans took stupid pills, and are even more incompetent than usual in CF.

Least Thales contributed that spear.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 28th 2021 at 8:38:19 AM

Didn't stop her from taking out "Cornelia", though.

Edited by YnK on Apr 28th 2021 at 5:38:02 AM

In Flayn's B support with Ignatz, she says that as Cethleann, she lived a quiet life with her parents until Seiros arrived. She did have a childhood, but then the war happened.

Enbarr did indeed exist prior to the Empire's founding. In a monstery conversation after the Flame Emperor's mask comes off, Flayn says she was born not long after her parents met.

One of the students (I think it's Hilda or Lysithea, but I'd have to check to be sure) mentions that Flayn often comes across much more mature than one would expect from someone her age.

Seteth mentions that her mother died in the War of Heroes in their A support.

Based on this, it looks like the timeline goes something like this:

1. Cichol leaves Zanado and meets his wife.
2. Cichol marries his wife and she gives birth to Cethleann not long after.
3. Cichol and his family settle on a small island, where they fish a lot.
4. Nemesis massacres the dragons. Seiros gathers the survivors, including Cichol's family, and also joins forces with Wilvelhm of Hresvelg.
5. War of Heroes. Cethleann's mother is killed and Cethleann falls into a coma; Cichol takes her to Garreg Mach to recuperate. Seiros kills Nemesis.
6. And the rest is history.

I get the impression Flayn's mother was a human, but I can't find any evidence in the game to directly support or contradict that. If she is, the fact that she was able to participate in the war in some capacity suggests that Cethleann probably was no more than 40 years old when she fell into a coma.

He straight up tells Byleth that he's related to the saints. Also, the whole conversation doesn't really make sense if they're trying to sell indech as just a giant turtle. "You can't tell Edelgard about the turtle we saw until the time is right, everyone knows she's sensitive about turtles."

Yeah he called him a saint, but when Byleth asked what about Saint he immediarely changed it to "Saintly". He's intentionally avoiding revealing his real identity and made a slip up.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 28th 2021 at 7:36:42 AM

Unironically, I would like to see how Edelgard would react to a neutral Saint.

Personally I would like to see a short cutscene of the BE student spending time with Indech and Bernie getting to ride on him. I would have love to see him being recruited as he could have been a very funny character. Macuil should have also been recruited in VW.

What kind of stats would they have or default class? The same as the ones from the statues of them?

Also I would like to see support with Indech and Bernie and Lindhardt and for Macuil some with Caspar and Dorothea.

I feel like everyone would get what a "saintly beast" is in a world where both Rhea beign Seiros and Rhea being a dragon is well known.

x6 Thanks for the clarification.

Also, I believe it was Lysithea who said that, and I think it was during the month where she (Flayn) got kidnapped. I believe she said that Flayn can be pretty mature for her (apparent) age but can also be pretty naive at times.

Tbh, we barely know anything about Flayn's mother to really draw any conclusions about her. All we really know about her is that she loved fishing and that she died during the War of Heroes. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we're ever told exactly how she died. All we know is that she passed during it, but I don't think we're ever told that it was in battle, or that she was an active combatant during it. Leaves us with many possible options.

1.- She was an active combatant in the War and fell in battle; could've been in her 40's or so (hey, Judith is perfectly capable of fighting at her age, and Flayn did say she reminded her of her mother).

2.- She was just a normal civilian and perhaps was perhaps pretty old when the war was underway.

3.- She was killed just when it started, and Cichol and Cethleann decided to join Seiros' cause to avenge her.

Of course, this is all assuming she was human. I too think that she was tbh, but because of a theory I made up. However, there's also some other things that make it hard to point out just how old Flayn/Cethleann was when she went into slumber. The war lasted for about a 100 years or so if I recall correctly, and we don't really know when exactly she went into sleep (I like to imagine it was at the end of the war, or at least when it was in it's final stages).

There's also the fact that we don't know how Nabateans age, but given that Rhea and Seteth are apparently still supposed to be fairly young in Nabatean years (Seteth being young enough to be able to pass off as Flayn's older brother), and Flayn's appearance (along with her datamined age), it's hard to discern how old she was exactly when she went to sleep, but I don't think she was only 40 years old numerically tbh. Then again, that's just my speculation.

Edited by Classics4Reality on Apr 28th 2021 at 1:37:01 AM

I think Flayn's mom was a Light Dragon, you know, since Flayn is one.

I thought Flayn's mom is human.