Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

Lorenz. Because he's a noble.

Edit: Make up your own context, everybody!

Edited by fredhot16 on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:42:46 PM

Most evil student is Kronya, obviously.

She doesn’t count, she wasn’t a real student.

I would say pre-time skip, none of them are evil but if we're judging on how is the most "amoral" of the students it'd go:

Hubert > Edelgard > Claude = Yuri

I feel like one of the things that people sometimes forget is Edelgard straight up try to get Claude and Dimitri assassinated in that intro level.

To be fair, Edelgard is also essentially faking being a student while conspiring to start a war. I think it's pretty hard for she and/or Hubert to not win that one.

The list would be like this(this list is not in order and just collects the charactersin a category) :

Pure Good: Flayn,Petra,Bernie,Ignatz,Marianne,Raphael,Annette,Mercedes,Ashe,Alois and Seteth

Good: Khalid,Hilda,Leonie,Judith,Caspar,Ferdinand, Dorothea,Linhardt,Gillbert,Cyril,Shamir,Hanneman,Manuela,Jeralt,Indech,Yuri,Balthus,Constance and Hapi

Slightly Good:Ingrid,Felix,Lorenz,Lysithea,Nader

Neutral:Rhea,Catherine,Dimitri,Sylvain,Dedue,Macuil

Slightly Evil:Randolph,Fleche,Ladislava,Pallerno(how do I write this guy's name? Its the "Reunion at Dawn" boss),Gwendoland Kostas

Evil:Edelgard,Hubert,Lonato,Miklan,Death Knight and Aelfric

Pure Evil:Nemesis,Thales,Solon,Kronya and Cornelia

Edited by Tropetalker on Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:54:53 AM

Let me give my take on some of the characters I consider the most evil. In descending order of evilness:

• Metodey ^Explanation Cruel and sadistic, with no sympathetic traits, goals, or motives
• Kronya ^Explanation Much like Metodey, beating him out only becuase her death was so pathetic
• Crimson Flower Rhea^note Since people have said that Rhea on CF versus the other routes is so different they may as well be different characters, I'm going to score them separately.^Explanation Commits violent, cruel acts for no reason. Has no sympathetic goal or motivation. Does not appear to be sadistic. Dehumanized by other characters and the narrative. The best that can be said is that her reaction to Seteth and Flayn's fates is that she might still be a case of Even Evil Has Loved Ones
• Thales ^Explanation Cruel and dehumanizes everybody outside of his people, the closest thing he has to a sympathetic trait is that he seems to have inherited a rather warped worldview.
• Edelgard ^note Not just me ranting, I promise.^Explanation Edelgard has a number of motives for her attempted conquest of Fodlan. Abolishing a hereditary noble class is a sympathetic motive. Her other motives, which include Fantastic Racism and religious bigotry, are not sympathetic. Does not appear to be sadistic. Publicly promotes conspiracy theories against the Church of Seiros and declares that "such a creed... must be eliminated"
• Catherine ^Explanation Declares herself to be amoral in her support for Rhea, her reluctance to actually commit an atrocity indicates she isn't entirely amoral.
• Hubert ^Explanation Similar to Catherine, but without a particular Moral Event Horizon moment. Seems to share some of Edelgard's more positive ideals.
• Non-CF Rhea ^Explanation Many of her actions, include her more-or-less pathological lying and suppression of technology, can't be seen as anything but evil. She still shows a considerable capacity for self-sacrifice and compassion, coming off as somebody who could've been heroic if she weren't constantly making the wrong decision.

As far evil characters go and excluding any stuff added in Heroes, I agree Kronya and Metodey are the clear winners.

As for evil students, the prize goes to Hubert. Edelgard is a close second due to her Well-Intentioned Extremist shtick and Fake Monica doesn't even do monastery stuff 'cause she's about to graduate (I think?) so...

CF Rhea is a result of having Rhea put in circunstances that push her to the brink, forcing a specific facet of her character to take over. In that sense, I'll argue AM Edelgard would probably deserve her own spot as well since she going full One-Winged Angel only gets to happen in Azure Moon.

In that regard, my "evil dude list" would likely be the same as yours but I would put SS/VW Edelgard right next to non-CF Rhea (whether she's before or after her however is something I still haven't decided upon). AM Edelgard meanwhile would take the spot she already has on the list (as in, between Thales and Catherine).

Good point. I take back what I said for the most part 'cause I just remembered non-CF Edelgard being at the very least stated to prosecute religious people compared to her CF self. Due to this and in terms of evilness scale (mostly because I consider her an anti-villain protagonist in her own route), CF-Edel should then be over her non-CF self at least.

Edited by Blackress on Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:25:42 PM

The thing about Edelgard is, she doesn't vary a whole lot by route. She's more open to Byleth on Crimson Flower, and you learn more about her, but her goal, motives, and means don't change much. The biggest variation in Edelgard is her going One-Winged Angel on AM, and I'd actually argue that isn't evil in itself. It's hypocritical, given her attitude towards Rhea, but ultimately it's Edelgard's body and she has the right to modify it if she wishes.

It is, as Dimitri puts it, the logical conclusion of her ideals made manifest.

Ok, so because my original comment is starting to look real messy I'm making another post to clear things up.

My evil-character-chart would be for the most part the same to Mister Tambourine's but with CF Edelgard being after non-CF Edel and having Rhea a bit lower so she's right next to CF Edel, if only because Rhea more or less started a war with Nemesis for reasons which, while well-intentioned, were ultimately selfish and are tragically left unspoken for most involved for the sake of preventing history repeat itself (at least when it comes to harvesting dragon bones for weapons).

Edited by Blackress on Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:47:08 PM

...Nemesis started the war.

And as Heroes makes clear with zombie Nemesis, he’s a Social Darwinist.

Did he though? Both the game and Heroes provide conflicting info about this (Omega brought this up some threads ago iirc), and the church's history suggests the war happened as a result of Adrestia expanding over Fodlan which led to both sides ultimately clashing at Gronder Field. That, and Rhea says this at the end of Verdant Wind:

Don't get me wrong, Nemesis was definitively one very mean and evil dude and if Seteth's accounts of the 10 Elites is any indication they weren't much better, but saying Rhea was a literal saint would be a huge disservice to her character (even though she would definitively look like one by comparison).

Edited by Blackress on Mar 3rd 2021 at 6:39:35 PM

Here's my list of evil students and I list them in descending order of evil.

Kronya: Cheats on exams, creeps people out and committed murder.

Hubert: Has threatened and attempted murder on faculty. But at least he cares about public safety.

Bernadetta: Has fantasized about killing a student.

Felix: Has probably injured people during fencing competitions.

Linhardt: Skips classes and mouths off to student leaders.

Claude: Identity fraud and heresy according to school rules.

Edelgard does not count because she's technically not really a student.

As for who started the war, Nemesis killed a shit ton of dragons and conquered Fodlan but that isn't the war of Heroes, the war of Heroes was started by Seiros. Seiros's war also lasted a century. Like dang, Edelgard's got nothing on that. Judging by that lore, Seiros already was playing puppet master to the Empire at that point.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 3rd 2021 at 7:42:57 AM

Why do Kronya and Hubert count as students but not Edelgard?

Edited by Druplesnubb on Mar 3rd 2021 at 1:46:01 PM

Edelgard is technically compromised in her enrollment since it was bankrolled by terrorists.

Kronya impersonated someone who IS enrolled and since she was enrolled again by the faculty, she's legally a student.

Shouldn't the same thing count for Hubert, though? Also, what could be more compromising than enrolling in somemone else's name through identity fraud?

I mean compromised in that it's invalid.

Since the faculty fell for the obvious identity fraud in Kronya's case, it's not compromised and legally Kronya is a student.

One way to look at it is that Nemesis started the war by initiating the Red Canyon. Sure, it took Rhea a while to build up her allies for her roaring rampage of revenge, but one could argue that's where their personal war started.

Nemesis also wanted to conquer the world, so there was a lot more on the stake than avenging the victims of genocide. Also a interesting thing about the War of Heroes is that there was a version of the Gronder battle with Nemesis losing that battle, but since the library is heavily biased, I am not sure if it's true.

IMO Nemesis losing first in Gronder works as a neat parallel to Edelgard in AM/VW given in both cases the Agarthans used the leader of their respective faction as a vehicle for their vendetta.

From a Certain Point of View I guess it could be seen that way.

Edelgard and Hubert were legally enrolled at the Monastery under their real identities and participated in school activities and school work. They were real students, just also doing...out-of-school activities.

Kronya offed a kid and stole her identity. Under no circumstances could she be considered a "real" student. We don't even know if she did any school work. She probably stole people's homework and copied it without returning it.

Or just killed them for it.

From what I understand, she's not really one to think things through long term, so I can see her just killing the ones she knows do good work. She was apparently responsible for a lot of disappearances, wasn't she?

x3 I mean, I'm not a particularly big Rhea fan, but I'd still consider someone opening with a genocide as striking first. She's essentially the less wrong party in this case.

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Mar 3rd 2021 at 3:11:07 AM