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Sep 10th 2019 at 3:52:24 AM

The Southern Church being disbanded because of its zealotry lead to relations between the empire and Church to sour.

RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Sep 10th 2019 at 7:20:59 AM A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
Tenzen12 Red Lagoon
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Sep 10th 2019 at 7:52:31 AM

First analysis is pretty good, second and third links are bit of mixed bag imho.

RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Sep 10th 2019 at 7:59:57 AM

If I remember correctly, the authors of the first two helped each other with theirs, or least their discussions provided material.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:09:09 AM

I think that second analysis is right on, honestly. Byleth showing up terrified the Dubsteps, after all. Separating her from Edelgard was a priority - there's a reason Monica/Kronya works so hard to keep the two of you apart while she's at the academy.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:11:47 AM

Edelgard is their abuse victim, and keeping her isolated from any positive influences is a classic tactic.

Sep 10th 2019 at 8:19:30 AM

...You know, shit, I had never thought of it that way, but that's absolutely true. I'm kind of amazed they let her keep Hubert around, since it seems likely that Marquis Vestra wasn't a Dubstepper but just a useful patsy; maybe they wanted to use him as leverage against her the same way it's implied they did against his father.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:25:12 AM

Well Hubert is a potential user of the dark seal, perhaps they were expecting him to be evil?

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:48:00 AM

I like the first and second ones a lot, even if I have a couple of quibbles with the second (it's made clear that Kronya killing Jeralt was a crime of opportuinity, not a planned thing.) Third one I'm a bit more lukewarm on, because a lot of it seems iffy (Dimitri says that people need to respect each other's strengths regardless of Crests, Edelgard is confused by the notion of Nemesis as a thief, TWSITD release Nemesis upon the world, etc.)

I like this one, an analysis of Edelgard's military strategy and how it was all effed up by Randolph's gloryhounding.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:50:45 AM

Randolph is such an incompetent shit, this opened my eyes.

Sep 10th 2019 at 8:54:02 AM

I do feel like Dimitri's linked quotes make it sound like he could be convinced that the Crests don't need to be lionized the way they currently are. They're a tool, and a useful one, but they shouldn't be the basis of leadership. And it's not like Edelgard wants to wipe the Crests out, either. Change how they're viewed, yes, but she's not culling Crestbearers.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 8:56:53 AM

I especially love the post that destroys the idea that Fodlan was peaceful before Edelgard started the war. That nonsense needs to be buried.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 9:03:24 AM

Nice to see the posts I linked are generating some discussion.

[up] I've seen a few replies to that saying that Fodlan was relatively peaceful, akin to Pax Romana, IIRC.

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Tenzen12 Red Lagoon
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Sep 10th 2019 at 9:17:41 AM

About Randolph attack, I disagree with that reddit analysis.

First of all assumption there is only one access route is clearly untrue. During first attack whole school evacuated while Imperial army was swarming supposed "only route"

Second going for full siege would require lot of manpower and logistic support, making Empire waging war on three fronts instead two (which itself as author noted was difficult already).

Randolps call crush Garreck Mach before it's defenders can secure more people and resources was right one. If he could do it Empire could focus on their main fight.

[up][up] It was relatively peaceful m, this is one of things poster was wrong.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 10th 2019 at 6:20:53 PM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 9:28:28 AM

Here are the points from another user:

Civil wars between branches of the church that are treated like a regular occurrence (and necessitate the church having a standing army equivalent to that of the actual nations)

Lord Lonato participates in one of these armed insurrections, and it's only a surprise because he's one of the nice lords and doesn't normally stir up trouble

Rampaging hordes of bandits that are such a serious threat that Rodrigue Fraldarius, one of the most powerful lords in the Kingdom, needs to call in reinforcements to keep them from razing a decently-sized town in his territory in Felix's paralogue

Acheron stirring up a "border dispute" that involves his soldiers pillaging towns in Lorenz's paralogue, and Lorenz clarifying that he's done this more than once and will eventually need to be dealt with

The Almyran army periodically attacking Fodlan's Throat, with nobody in Fodlan even trying to engage them diplomatically (and Rhea admits that the church intentionally encouraged this isolation and xenophobia)

Sreng doing the same thing as Almyra

The Kingdom performing a literal genocide four years ago

Sep 10th 2019 at 9:33:06 AM

Yeah, that's all a pretty decent point. And it seems like there are also just... wild beasts wandering around too. I guess some of those could be artificially made by the Dubsteps, but not all of them.

Sep 10th 2019 at 9:38:10 AM

There hadn't been a major conflict between Church branches in 100 years, which ended with the Emperor himself exiling the Southern Bishop.

[up] They're wild animals who fed on large amounts of magic and got BIG. The Birds, the Wolves, and the Worms. The rest are Demonic Beasts.

Bandits are always treated as outliers in Fire Emblem and "Times of Peace" rather than part of it. Only Awakening actually had them be Plegian agents sent to make chaos.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 10th 2019 at 9:42:02 AM

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon
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Sep 10th 2019 at 9:50:14 AM

[up][up][up] -Kingdom isn't best shape after Tragedy of Duskur -Rebelion of Western Church is first case where it came to actuall battle.

-Church has standing army exactly to deal with bandits and magical beasts that would threaten civilians (and of course to protect Holly Tomb if needed).

-Acheron and ones similiar to him exist, but it's mostly internal problem on local scale. Jeralt himself said that while small skirmishes exist (otherwise there would be no point of Mercenary band in first place), there was not any major conflict that could be called war for several centuries.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 10th 2019 at 6:52:01 PM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 9:58:27 AM

So basically Fodlan has had conflicts but since there isn't war it's peaceful? Well the intro said RELATIVE harmony.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon
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Sep 10th 2019 at 10:10:29 AM

Well, duh. Kingdom is still in mess after ToD, though it's getting slowly better and Alliance is disjointed by nature. Both are internal problems that should be solved internally.

Actual war on top of these problems would be worse.

Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 10th 2019 at 7:17:19 PM

Sep 10th 2019 at 10:19:16 AM

The Church also keeps the peace by sending the students out with their teachers to deal with small threats.

Which is done to show that you don't want to fuck with Rhea, and the school itself having Houses that can interact is done so that students get to know the other nations folk so that they're less likely to fight between each other to help prevent conflicts.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 10th 2019 at 10:19:55 AM

RedHunter543 Dark-Type Specialist. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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Sep 10th 2019 at 10:33:45 AM

That is some standard if it's peaceful despite conflicts being bad enough to send students to help quell them.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon
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Sep 10th 2019 at 10:38:11 AM

This particular argument is hardly made in good faith. Missions are for sake students not because there is no other option.

Sep 10th 2019 at 10:40:58 AM

To be fair, I imagine most of the time it's nothing quite as bad as the Dubstep-backed bandits or the monster attacks at Red Canyon. Bringing knight cadets (who are intended to be officers in their respective armies, after all) to a battlefield to get some battle experience isn't too out there, especially with the Knights of Seiros backing them up.

That said, Fodlan seems like it's not particularly settled still - I imagine there are still long stretches of road where you might be attacked by brigands, beasts, or Beasts, and you might have to travel a while to find a village. It doesn't seem like things are super metropolitan with guard posts every two miles.

Edited by RedSavant on Sep 10th 2019 at 1:43:32 PM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 12:13:47 PM

Sending students to fight bandits is iffy, but it does ensure everyone, noble or not, has to put in their fair share of work and understands what it's like on the frontlines. Nothing wrong with the missions themselves since of course, bandits bad, and we all accept that automatically. The students weren't supposed to fight Lonato. They were just supposed to observe until the fog messed everything up. Remire should've been more of a knights plan, but they're spread too thin and Byleth has the Sword of the Creator to back them up. Most other missions have the students taking their own initiative or the church being attacked in some way.

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