Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

About 13 years.

It runs in the family i guess. Some values dissonance i would assume? I'm not an expert on the subject.

In Legends, it was closer to 10 years, if that matters.

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Leia's age actually changed due to being made Luke's twin

of the OT trio originally Luke's the Youngest at 18/19 , Leia's like 4 to 5 years older then Luke and Han is about 10 years older

Going by actor ages Fisher was 19, Hamill was 24 and Ford was 34. Approximate character ages it makes sense Luke and Leia were about the same age, with Han a number of years older.

granted an age gap is less i guess shocking when the people are older

Basically

30 and 45 is seen as meh while 15 and 30 is considering risque

Kylo's writing does kinda play into the 'Manchild' interpretation of him

Lucas has been... questionable when it comes to age gaps. *cough cough Indiana Jones cough Phantom Menace*

Now I think we can agree this is a movie making sin

.....Woah That was really lazy.

Good golly no wonder I was having so much trouble following this fight, and that's on top of the dark setting, Ben and Rey's lightsabers being the same color, and the "strobe light" disorienting lightning.

The review also points out Rey and Kylo Ren made things worse by going to confront Palpatine, since he was able to absorb their life force and use force storm to kill a shit ton of people.

They had just gotten to Step 1 of their plan: raise lightsabers intimidatingly. Step 2 is: wait, now what, if we kill him we still get possessed by him, ummm...

Put him in a Faraday cage.

Basically the non sarcastic gist of it is, Rey and Kylo confronting Palpy only factors into the battle above... cause They get their dyad drained and only then is Palpy a factor in the battle due to POWAH!!! Effectively Rey confronting Palpy DOES make the situation worse for the heroes

Essentially it's a reverse of people trying to make Palpy factor more into the Battle of Endor instead of just letting each character have their own triumph.

Stopping Palpy's Fleet is the goal of the Movie 'Note Not killing Palpy or Redeeming Kylo, The Fleet itself is the narrative goal'

As opposed to the Battle of Endor where Luke's goal is to redeem Vader and The Rebellion's goal is destroy the Deathstar, Luke getting himself caught doesn't really make the situation worse since its A trap anyway. Palpy's overconfidence is his weakness.

Rise keeps acting like Rey has to confront Palpy 'for all the Wrong Reasons, namely Revenge' Like she leads the fleet to Exegol ... so join the attack on the Fleet and deal with Palpy once the Fleet is neutralized Its not like Palpy's got anywhere else to run... thats what Poe criticizes her for at the start of the movie shes off doing Jedi things when she should be out there fighting with them... and then Rey spends most of the movie Doing everything alone in fact Thats when she screws up the most. So narratively Rey should learn the lesson she has to fight WITH her friends instead of trying to shoulder it all on herself.

except of course the St hasn't built up any of the other Resistance members to be even possibly capable of helping Rey so the person she needs to aid her is.. Ben... except again Rey needs to kill Palpy by herself or else she won't push the Agenda behind her character that has hampered her every step of this trilogy.

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Mar 30th 2020 at 5:08:58 AM

'This movie is getting worse all the time'

The ST can't even do a friendship Aesop? That's like one of the most basic storytelling Aesop's ever.

It can't because Disney can't have Rey ever be wrong. Or if she does get help, they visually won't show up like the Jedi force ghosts.

The more i or anyone else thinks about this movie, the less Star Wars it becomes. I've already pointed out how narratively Rey and Palpatine's fight rejects how choices define who we are and how it's a nonsensical power level fight that has no deeper themes.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 30th 2020 at 4:17:33 AM

And I just now realized that Rey was created to homage/ape a 40 year old character.

And instead of being an effective modernization of the archetype he represented & how it’s evolved since then, she just became a low-rent rip-off of the guy.

It's sad. How could the writers have modernized Luke's archetype in Star Wars for the modern audience?

Rey = Luke but Bland

Simple start would be to make romance and agency parallel rather than correspondent. Luke goes on an adventure to save a princess with a wise old mentor. Rey, or any protagonist, should have gone on an adventure to do something else, and the romance they see along the way should run parallel to that. She doesn’t need to save her love/family or redeem her love/family to establish a goal. That alone would separate her from Luke’s motivations and conflicts.

This movie is getting worse all the time

"I am altering the script. Pray I do not alter it any further."

The fact that this is like a first draft becomes really obvious at some points.

See, Rey wasn't boring before. In fact, Rey in TFA and TLJ was pretty great. She was flawed. She was complicated. She had anger issues and a serious longing for a family, which caused her to make mistakes and deal with emotional trauma. And yet, she never gave up on her allies and her duty as a someone who could potentially end the war. She was kindhearted and honorable, while also being avoidant and at times delusional. All of that stuff was interesting.

It's not until TROS that the writing really, really fails her. Her backstory is completely ridiculous. She doesn't care about her friends and treats them like crap. Her motivation changes with every scene. Her relationship with Ben is completely nonsensical and problematic. Her already overpowered abilities are taken to Messiah levels.

It's easy to just say that she's a boring character but she's worse than that. Rey by the end is a complete fabrication of a character. She's doesn't feel real or have any sense of agency. She does what the plot tells her. She cares about what the plot tells to her care about. She ends up with who the plot tells her to be with, without any consideration for logic or what has been previously set up about her.

Rise went to some strange efforts to get Rey alone despite her arcs in prior films centering on her finding a family to belong to. It feels like every planet comes up with an excuse to have her suddenly exit and leave all the others behind. Sometimes with increasingly odd reasons like the Falcon abruptly crashing on Kef Bir so that all the heroes can't just fly to the Death Star wreckage together.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 30th 2020 at 2:13:29 AM

I did like though that Rey's frustrations at not being able to live up to Luke's example often drew her in danger of falling to the Dark Side though. It gives her the sort of depth people were complaining that she was lacking in the last two movies.