Captain Marvel - Spoilers

I'd kind of prefer that. In fact, I already have an idea for the sequel: Yon-Rogg, still smarting from his failure, decides to take another Terran woman and mold her to be Carol's enemy. He finds a way to merge Karla Sofen with a Kree gravity stone, which gives her powers similar to Carol's (flight, super strength, laser hands, but also intangibility). But in his attempts to control Karla, she also gets loose...except unlike Carol, she decides to use her powers to manipulate and kill, causing both woman to ultimately confront each other.

I actually strongly suspect that will happen in Endgame. Like they travel through time to get the Power Stone and have to fight Ronan for it.

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I don't think Lee Pace is in Endgame, though.

This is a good article. It doesn't whitewash the complaints about the movie (or Marvel movies in general), but it does say a lot of good stuff about the film.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:12:52 AM

Just saw the movie. I have only one complaint: When Carol was fighting her squad the BGM wasn't playing on the jukebox. Complete missed opportunity.

Good movie.

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Just saw the movie.

I liked it, which is not surprising since I generally like Marvel movies, but one thing I took from it (and my brother agreed as we exited the theater) is that Carol's relationship with her friend was written like a lesbian romance that was too afraid to come out and say it explicitly. Which I thought was odd, in this day and age.

I haven't been following the news for this movie so maybe that's well-known, I dunno.

Edited by Clarste on Mar 8th 2019 at 3:20:57 AM

I noticed that it felt like Carols brain was weirdly male focused. With the sole exception of the crash (and even that was still about a male attacking her) all she could remember were men insulting her.

Um, she also had a lot of memories of her mentor, her girlfriend, and her daughter.

Yeah, she had a ton of memories of Maria and of Monica (remember, "Lieutenant Trouble"?) and some of Wendy Lawson, too.

The memories with men were clearly the negative experiences she's had in life from her tense relationship with her father to the ongoing sexism she's faced in her career path.

While the memories with women were her positive experiences as she experienced the joy of friendship & family with the Rambeau's as well as a mentor-ship under Larson that gave her a sense purpose & fufillment in her dreams.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 8th 2019 at 4:08:27 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Plus, I wonder if it might have been a deeper level of Kree Mind whammy making it so that whatever memories she had of her earth life were negative, reinforcing the idea that before them, she was nothing.

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Genuinely loved this movie, and I actually wasn't too big on the trailers. Good characters, good action. Fury is a crazy cat lady: confirmed.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."

Saw the movie two nights ago. Some questions I have relating this to MCU lore as a whole:

1. How was Lawson/Mar-Vell able to grab the Tesseract? I mean, wouldn't it have been with SHIELD due to Howard Stark, who found it in the denouement of Captain America: The First Avenger, being a co-founder of SHIELD?

2. Given that Ronan was working with Thanos in Guardians of the Galaxy, how does Kree society, including the Supreme Intelligence, tie with him?

Was he wearing gloves? Fury was able to handle it with gloves in Avengers.

Granted, Skull was also wearing gloves, so I dunno.

The Kree were also at war with Xandar. When they made peace just before GOTG, Ronan went rogue and was presumably not under Kree authority any more.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 8th 2019 at 5:22:21 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I meant that in-between 1945 and the 1990s, who had custody of the Tesseract?

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...so...

...I mean...it's not bad....

I liked it, but it didn't blow me away (which means I came out better than most of the people Carol blasted! HEY YO!!!!).

Not a bad origin story, a few laughs but the fights weren't super great.

Wasn't expecting the Skrulls to receive Adaptational Heroism, but it worked. Considering the Kree / Skrull conflict has often been played as Evil vs. Evil or Grey-and-Gray Morality, it did legitimately throw me off guard.

...We're all gonna pretend that Fury lost his eye in a cooler way.

That mid credits scene shows Carol is damned stealthy. When you can sneak up on Natasha like that, you're definitely sneaky.

...it did kinda feel like Larson didn't emote that much. Maybe it was just me, cause I know that's something the trolls have been saying, but that's how it felt to me.

I'm also torn on the Mar-vell Gender Lift. It keeps all the important things about the character, but with how some people seem determined to shit on him (there has been talk about how the only interesting thing about him is that he died of Cancer), turning him into a woman seems to only play into that. It works; it works incredibly well, but I feel like now this will just further convince people to bash him at every opportunity. I'm not even a fan, but someone always seems to use something as an excuse to put down something....which is a concept this movie fights against so it's kinda annoying seeing that.

That being said, it's not really something that hurts the movie.

Honestly, I liked Wonder Woman (2017) more, which is ironic, since the non comic book fans will now assume Carol is the more powerful of the two (cause she does seem to pull off a much bigger feat of power in taking out a small fleet).

So yeah...Captain Marvel is a movie. A good movie. But my socks were not knocked off. Maybe if it wasn't leading into Endgame, (which I thought it would promote more heavily) I'd have been more impressed.

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She had a ship full of Skrulls. That's how.

Heck, this explains why Talos is capable of replacing the head of SHIELD in 1 day. Despite SHIELD not exactly being super advertised it'd be weird he finds out about it, located its head and replaces the guy so easily. But it's not weird when you realize it's coz he's been to Earth and he knows it exists from probably having helped Mar-vell steal the Tesseract.

I enjoyed the movie a lot, I'm I the only one who was a little surprised that Yon-Rogg didn't end up dying at the end? I was also ok with the gender switch with Mar-vell, although I have a feeling that Mar-vell was going die at Yon-Rogg's hands somehow. I'm also ok with the MCU version of Yon-Rogg doing what his comic book counterpart never was able to. Slightly off topic the online hate the movie is getting is ridiculous.

Edited by GmCommand on Mar 8th 2019 at 6:47:59 AM

It should also be mentioned that Mar-vell (as Dr. Lawson) was a SHIELD scientist of considerable rank.

Her lightspeed engine was a sanctioned SHIELD project, and she likely got access to the Tesseract as part of that. Since the Tesseract's very existence was likely classified well above level 3, Fury had no idea it had been missing for the past six years.

I'm sure somewhere out there is a team of high level SHIELD agents that have been slowly driving themselves nuts trying to find the thing for the past six years, only for all their labors to be for naught when it turns up for reasons utterly disconnected from their investigation.

Mar-Vell/Wendy Lawson was a scientist working at Project Pegasus. In The Avengers, Project P.E.G.A.S.U.S. was the site at the beginning that was studying the Tesseract. Presumably she was able to secret it away to her ship to study it more and when Fury got it back in the end, he gave it back to the same project. (In CM, it's a NASA-USAF joint mission, while in The Avengers it's a NASA-SHIELD joint mission.)

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Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 8th 2019 at 8:29:18 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

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A rather nice take on the movie, but in particular lays out why Nick Fury losing his eye the way he did is a poor retcon of what was implied in Winter Soldier.

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Saw the movie, and it was fricking great. Not among my faves in the MCU, but fun nontheless.

There's the stuff about Nick's eye and the Avengers Initiative that are, imo, unnecessary explanations (like the explanation of Han's name in Solo which many have compared those scenes).

They don't break anything, but are kinda shoehorned.

There is one nitpick I have that is seriously bothering me and it's Mar-Vell having possession of the Tesseract, because that straight up retcons all the set-up in Captain America, which I'm not cool with. You can handwave an explanation, but it needlessly complicates the backstory.

About Larson, she was pretty fine as Carol. Not the most engaging MCU protagonist if you ask me, but does her job well, and gets sprinkles of character through her interaction with Fury and Maria, and even the Skrull Leader (who is by far the best character in the movie).

I've seen reasonable critics about her performance, and I see where they come from, but its honestly the story they chose to build with Carol that limits the scope of the character.

It's going to be interesting to see what other writers and directors do with her.

So yeah.

I think I'd've preferred if they did like they did in the beginning, and made a Running Gag of almost explaining why Fury wears an eyepatch.

Does it? Captain America ends with SHIELD (or the people who are going to create SHIELD) finding it. The next time we see it, SHIELD is attempting to reverse engineer it into weaponry decades later.

The only thing this changes is that people were trying to use it earlier than initially believed, and that SHIELD wasn't the only organization to try and put their hands in the pot in the meantime. It reminded me of how there were a bunch of different organizations who tried to reverse engineer the Captain America serum from Erskine's notes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 8th 2019 at 9:34:57 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Uh, no it doesn't. The First Avenger ends with Howard Stark retrieving the Tesseract, but we're never told what he does with it. We just assume that it's been in SHIELD custody for 70 years, but that doesn't make it true. Now we know that it was involved with Project Pegasus way before The Avengers and Mar-Vell was able to take it to her ship.

In a way, the movie does play with Fury's eye - during the Skrull autopsy, the coroner guy asks "How's your eye, Agent Fury?" so we're meant to think that he's already lost it, but he hasn't.

Also, I love the fact that he ended up losing the eye due to Goose. Because it makes perfect sense that, since he lost it so mundanely, he wouldn't tell anyone how it happened. And the one time he did mention it, he referred to it so obliquely, it sounded badass. Which, yes, is going to piss off a lot of fanboys, but I fucking loved it.