Captain Marvel - Spoilers

But anyway, act 1 of the movie sort of bothers me? After the train chase, everyone is just... way too cool about this. Carol has no questions about earth. Fury is the first human to meet an alien in recent non-peter quill times and he's got like... no non-plot relevant question about Kree and their culture. Like, you meet an alien and you're not gonna ask about their planet, or stuff about their culture? I can somewhat buy Carol being used to seeing other worlds enough not to care, but it felt weird that Fury was reacting like she's just from out of state.

It was a long car ride, I'm going to assume he asked all the questions during it. I mean, we got what was necessary, Carol telling him about the Kree and the Skrulls. The rest would have just been more exposition.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 7th 2019 at 11:12:13 AM

So I take it Maria Rambeau is the mother of Monica Rambeau, one of the other Captain Marvels? Because that's what it sounds like they're building up to.

If so, I heartily approve, because that brings us one step closer to a Nextwave movie.

Also, any word on the Khans? It's doubtful Kamala would appear, because of the whole "not being born yet" thing, but maybe her mother?

...should I spoil this? There's nothing here that can't be learned from reading reviews.

Edited by drac0blade on Mar 8th 2019 at 12:47:30 PM

This is the spoiler thread, so you don't need to spoiler tag anything.

And no, the Khans don't appear in the film, but I didn't expect them to. Kamala should be someone that doesn't know Carol personally, but is a huge fan of Captain Marvel.

Maria Rambeau is the mother of Monica, yes, and Lashana Lynch kills it as Maria. Seriously, her scenes with Carol are some of the best in the film.

Sorry for the double post, but I'm responding here from a post in the MCU thread:

I'd actually say that both films are pretty much on-par with each other, with CM having the slight advantage of having both a stronger female friendship in it and Samuel L. "Motherflerken" Jackson. (Also, CM has no romance, which I like.)

Honestly, Wonder Woman had the better beginning, though, but it kind of fell apart at the end. Captain Marvel's beginning is filled with a bit too much exposition, tries too hard to explain everything, but the film gets better as it goes along and absolutely lands the ending.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 8th 2019 at 12:50:46 PM

To be fair I liked the romance in WW. Chris Pine and Gal Gadot had great chemistry and interactions.

I do think there's some parallels, Both movies have weaker act 3s. Though CM's is FAR better than WW's. WW had better action scenes though. Agreed that WW has a better act 1.

But yeah, I like CM over all. It's not a great movie, but it's for sure a good time.

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:28:00 AM

This movie was awful. Bored throughout. Brie Larson can't act. The cat was forced comedy. Jackson was wasted. The one thing that kept bugging me was the lead Skrull's accent. Just annoyed me.

MCU continue to prove they are the Emperor's New Clothes of the superhero genre

Edited by Zarius on Mar 8th 2019 at 7:46:22 AM

I don't get it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I now choose to believe that Nick was trying to say "motherflerker" in Infinity War when he was dusted.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I find that idea too amusing to not immediately declare canon.

Edited by Falrinn on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:56:41 AM

Wait what point?

I just didn't understand the "Emperor's New Clothes" comparison.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

They're saying that people refuse to criticize Marvel movies because that would go against popular opinion.

Which is a dickish thing to say.

This song needs more love.

Or possibly that the people who like Marvel are too stupid to realize that they're actually enjoying something that's "obviously" terrible. It depends on whether the audience is supposed to be the Emperor or the Public in that analogy

Either way, something of a self-centered thing to say. It's basically like claiming someone is "drinking the Kool aid" for having an opinion that's different from yours.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 8th 2019 at 8:04:30 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Isn't the phrase Emperor With No Clothes?

Mileena Madness

"But guys, you're not allowed to criticize any MCU movie or the sheeple will rain hell upon you. I mean, look at how everyone is contsantly praising The Incredbile Hulk and Thor: The Dark World!"

I don't mind Thor the Dark World. Then again, I also watch some truly horrendous stuff on purpose. So maybe it's just that after watching shit like Gotti or Godffrey Ho films, my bar for what is terrible becomes pretty low.

x4 Yeah.

I can understand why someone wouldn't like the movie, and there were certain elements that didn't work for me^note Rhonin and the Accusers fleet didn't need to be in the movie at all honestly. Carol needed one impressive feat of strength that shows that she's grown far beyond what she was previously capable of, and then confront Yon-Rogg..

But I personally walked away from that movie glad I had seen it. And if someone argues that the feeling I personally felt walking out of the theater is somehow invalid or I'm being disingenuous, that's not going to lead to any constructive argument.

Personally, for a good while I was pretty apathetic to the MCU (and am kind of losing interest in it again), so I'm sympathetic to people who don't enjoy the films for whatever reason. Hell, i personally have no plans to go see CM atm.

That being said, you don't need to be a dick about it either.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 8th 2019 at 12:49:42 PM

@Zarius: Aren't you just a charmer.

Watch Symphogear

Yeah, Don't Be A Dick is a good rule.

Also, as Carol says, I don't have anything to prove to you.

x4

The Accusers are there to show that Yon-Rogg is heartless enough to glass the planet because he’s lost control of his protege.

Saw this last night. My initial reactions: this movie was fucking great. Of recent MCU films, it feels like more of a well formed movie than Black Panther (which I thought skipped over way too much character building and could have used more time to build up T’Challa’s relationships with his advisors). If it resembles a Phase 1 film it’s a phase 1 film that does everything better. The villains are actually good, the character arc is stronger, and the third act doesn’t really descend into a CGI shitshow because every action bit has a purpose.

I loved it.

It’s not a Winter Soldier (but then it doesn’t have the whatthefuckery of the entirety of the Cold War being a HYDRA plot) but it’s easily within my top 5 MCU movies.

I guess my main issue with Rhonin's role is that after Carol's second confrontation with the Supreme Intelligence, there's basically nothing present in the movie that can stop her.

This isn't itself a problem, but it does mean everything afterwards doesn't have a lot of tension because Carol literally can't lose. And I think with Rhonin there, it extended the "tension free" part of the climax longer then (in my opinion) it's ideal length.

I honestly expected Ronan to fight Carol one on one.

I thought he would just have enough natural strength & durability to match her blow for blow.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

It also means that, in a sequel, the Kree are going to have pull out something serious in order to be a palpable threat.

I mean, I wouldn't mind them being the underlying antagonist to something bigger and different. Like, a "Carol is fighting back against the Kree, but THEN SUDDENLY GALACTUS! And she has to balance dealing with both."

Come to think of it, this is the first movie to really showcase a character who mutated accdentally and gets powers, since the Spider-Man films gloss over that part. They could spin that into having Carol come to Earth and fight another being who is mutated in a similar way. Like Michael Korvac.

Or even better, Moonstone.

I'd kind of prefer that. Or maybe not. I dunno. I like that Carol is the MCU's prime cosmic character now, and that they'll be using her (along with the Eternals, presumably) to explore the stellar side of the Cinematic Universe. But I also like the idea of a character like that having adventures on Earth and hope we get some of her terran enemies and adventures as well. Could you imagine a crazy story in which the Kree are trying to get their hands on her, as a weapon, but also MODOK and AIM are sending characters like the Super Adaptoid to copy her potential as well, and it becomes a three way war? And I still think bringing, say, Mystique and Rogue into a sequel is a great idea.

I guess the same dilemma I had with Thor. The Marvel movies always focus on one topic, rarely branching out. Cap fights conspiracies, usually HYDRA. Iron Man fights evil businessmen and developers. Ant-Man fights enemies that make good heist adversaries. Thor fights space fantasy characters. Etc. Focusing on one or the other, you get characters like Kurse, and lose characters like the Absorbing Man. You get Justin Hammer, lose Living Laser. You get HYDRA - twice - but lose Taskmaster.

So, I wouldn't mind if they tried to combine both aspects of Captain Marvel into future movies, the same way they did with her characterization in this one. So, it's a toss up.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.