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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3026: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:51:24 AM

Shield Hero is one of those stories where it's somewhat more bearable in text, but all of the flaws are a lot more obvious when it's animated.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3027: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:54:51 AM

I was actually told that the anime has tone down its toxicity a whole lot from the original novel.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#3028: Sep 20th 2019 at 8:57:24 AM

[up] There's no scene where Malty got raped to death right? That's good and dandy. I prefer both Naofumi and Malty Duel to the Death tbh

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3029: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:02:20 AM

[up][up]It does, but the toxic stuff it does keep just seems so much worse when it's actually onscreen and animated.

It helps that my expectations for a web novel are a lot lower than they are for an anime.

Edited by M84 on Sep 21st 2019 at 12:02:53 AM

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#3030: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:13:01 AM

Shield Hero is one of those stories where it's somewhat more bearable in text, but all of the flaws are a lot more obvious when it's animated.

That's the exact feeling I get with Okaasan Online.

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#3031: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:19:25 AM

Contrary to some opinion, I...Actually like Okaasan-Online. Maybe because of Mamako's antics.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#3032: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:31:45 AM

It's a guilty pleasure of mine, but I don't like there series's refusal to admit that Mamako treating her son like he's seven years old is a problem.

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#3033: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:34:49 AM

[up] Yeah... Won't gonna downplay that either. Maybe its nice to see Mamako tries at her best to give Masato a motherly love but since Masato's already grown-up... Yea.

And I can understand why some people got turned off with the show. Probably due to how OP Mamako is which resulted on other characters didn't have much time to show their powers... Except maybe Porta.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3034: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:38:34 AM

This isn't Goblin Slayer. Two Hit Mom isn't trying to present itself as deeper than the surface level impression, so looking into them when you admit it's a guilty pleasure seems off to me.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#3035: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:46:22 AM

Just because something is comedy, doesn't mean it can't be painful to read at times, especially if you disagree with its philosophy.

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#3036: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:06:50 AM

I couldn't even get into the novels for Two Hit Mom so I ended up skipping the anime. I've heard the anime is good but if you guys are saying its flaws are more pronounced in the anime I'm thinking of skipping it.

Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#3037: Sep 20th 2019 at 3:58:00 PM

Wild Last Boss: Reading the personality files, it's no wonder that Ruphas just straight up killed Dragon King instead of taming him. Guy was a dick. He must've really pissed her off.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#3038: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:16:48 PM

The manga for Wild Last Boss is up to when Scorpius attacks the mobile city I forget the name of. Around what chapter of the web novel is that?

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MABfan11 from Remnant Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#3039: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:27:42 PM

honestly, i'm enjoying Maou-sama, Retry quite a lot this season, it's the only one of the four isekai airing this season that i haven't dropped/put on hold

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#3040: Sep 20th 2019 at 6:56:24 PM

@Elfen Lied Fan

That's later if I recall, and yeah a lot of the worst and most toxic elements got toned down, but you can still see the very obvious outlines.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#3041: Sep 20th 2019 at 7:05:33 PM

^^^ Mm, 70 or so maybe is my feeling?

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3042: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:56:40 AM

Going waaaay back:

It's not Isekai, but the Cradle series fits your description of "enemies actually pose some threat to the MC and have antagonists whose battles are either so grueling or creative that they become memorable." really well. Aside from the Isekai part of course.note

It's kind of a Power Fantasy on some level, but the author realizes to make it work you've got to keep throwing stronger enemies at the main characters to keep tension in the narrative.

So I checked the series' trope page and also the Funny page, to find this bit.

There's something hilarious about the fact that Lindon's plan to win an impossible fight is to basically throw a jar of bees at his opponent. And it works.

This actually made me spit out my drinks. [lol]

THIS is the kind of creative thinking I want to see from main characters (see also: Kiritsugu blowing up magical trap filled hotel with C4 in Fate Zero), isekai or otherwise. I'll be checking this series out.

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32ndfreeze from Australia Since: Mar, 2012
#3043: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:23:57 AM

[up]If you decide to give the series a shot, come and join us in the Literature thread. We'd love the company :)

Cradle's pretty good at having the main character need to use some creative solutions in the earlier books.

IIRC its a minor plot point actually him learning that he can take the straight and practical route sometimes once he catches up a bit.

Edited by 32ndfreeze on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:29:32 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3044: Sep 23rd 2019 at 12:24:45 AM

Slow Prison Life Chapter 47: In which Rachel reaps the consequences of cheating.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#3045: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:24:43 AM

Apotheosis of a Demon just finished up. It was... okay, I guess? At least it actually finished. It's about a girl who is being used as a test subject to check out another world by sending in a digital avatar and pretending it's a game. Normal players are sent in as normal humanoids but the test subjects were all sent in as monsters, which basically breaks the mind over time. The other test subjects all die, but she manages to fake her death by turning into a demon and fully migrating to the other world. When she's there, she realizes the world is on the verge of collapse because humanity is oppressing the other races and draining the world of its life force, so she needs to destroy all the conduits of power the humans are draining, which happen to be offshoots of the world tree.

She already had limited psychic powers before isekaiing, which is why she was picked as a test subject to begin with. Her power is to manipulate probability and change the outcome of a situation happening now and, as she gets stronger, change the outcome of a situation someone was in in the past.

Edited by Arha on Sep 25th 2019 at 1:35:57 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3046: Sep 26th 2019 at 3:00:18 AM

Slow Prison Life Extra 1: ...I don't know what I just read.

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onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Too much adorableness
#3047: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:59:59 AM

Random question: does Otherside Picnic technically count as isekai in some capacity?

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#3048: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:03:00 AM

I've been reading that lately! It's really good so far. I would say it's one of those technical isekais that have kind of been left behind by the genre growing to mean more specific things.

It's been fun.
onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Too much adorableness
#3049: Sep 27th 2019 at 12:36:19 AM

^ True enough. Although I guess if the POV was on the US Marines trapped in the Otherside (in Chapter 3) that might count.

Although your answer got me thinking: just how different is the current isekai trend compared to the portal fantasy or ISOT stories of yore (or even today)?

Edited by onyhow on Sep 27th 2019 at 4:49:20 AM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#3050: Sep 27th 2019 at 8:38:33 PM

Reading a Chinese isekai called Release that Witch about an engineer ending up in a medieval Europe ish place, only with demons, monsters and rarely some witches, who are the enemy of the Church. He's the fourth prince in the middle of a weird succession crisis and has the least resources, so he decides to defy the church by recruiting witches to kickstart the industrial revolution early, especially when it comes to modernizing the military.

It's pretty good so far, maybe an 8/10, but Jesus Christ is it long. It's 1500 chapters with each chapter taking about three to five minutes to read so I'm only 1/3 of the way through it.

Two odd pros for a Chinese story is that the witches aren't his harem since only two are interested in him out of about twenty so far and, shockingly, there are two lesbians who are treated like normal human beings with their sexuality being almost entirely irrelevant. Chinese stories I've read have been so bad about LGBT stuff that I'd started to wonder if it was like national policy or something.

Seeing the way the protagonist thinks is kind of interesting in terms of getting a look at Chinese values and how certain things are just taken for granted like tons of propaganda and sending people to work in the mines for years as punishment for crimes. Also I have no idea what kind of engineer he's supposed to be because he knows a fair amount of chemistry but little about architecture or how to build a lot of things.

Edited by Arha on Sep 27th 2019 at 10:42:22 AM


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