RWBY Spoilers Thread

I wasn't really talking about redemption or even them getting along in any capacity I was more talking about using him to deal with the threat of Salem.

Because sometimes for the greater good you have to make some questionable alliances with the lesser of two evils. Also I do kind of want him to stay his sword through Jacques Schnee. That would certainly solve some of Weiss problems.

That's incidentally a big part of why I'm hoping they end up having a final antagonist (or a pair of them) for our heroes to confront after Salem. Right now I think it's highly likely the endgame for her is to be talked down by Ruby, and perhaps that will simply be the end of the series with her and Ozma passing on peacefully together, but it'd be a lot more interesting to me if she sticks around long enough to prove she's had her mind changed.

Now, OTOH, it's somewhat predictable how an Adam or Salem redemption would go, namely towards a Redemption Equals Death, because once your past a certain threshold of villainy you kind of have to die heroically to be considered redeemed. (think Vader) But Tropes Are Not Bad, and it's a satisfying end to a villain of the tragic sort.

I really dislike Redemption Equals Death trope because it tends rob the story of potentially interesting issues that arise from having a despicable villain turn towards good. Should the heroes forgive the villain, not forgive but still cooperate, turn him over immediately - which is really a jerk move if there is some sort of conspiracy in play as it makes fair trial impossible - or maybe just shoot him on the spot for safety and give him a nice tombstone as an apology?

Then again, the heroes in the show lean towards forgiving types and they don't give much crap about the law. They would probably give anyone save Cinder a chance to atone, which would in turn lead to some major awkwardness. Ilia was handmade for a Heel–Face Turn and even then forgiving her felt off. Redemption Equals Death is likely the only kind of redemption we will see from now on.

More often that not, redemption in story is one part in story and one part fandom judgment and Adam already cross it by is kylo ren behivor in volume 3 and cuting yang arm, the same can be said by Cinder killing phyrra, any redemption would feel like cheating, and it case of Adem it would be gross because of is alt right and bordeline Incel behivor.

For Adam the best would be not redemption but being a better villian, maybe join Cinder and growing pass Blake as personal vendetta.

I prefer there to be a gap between redemption and death in these kinds of cases, because it feels rather hollow when all someone like Vader does to make up for everything he did is save his son, vs say Revan who goes on this whole Redemption Quest that ends with their death in my favorite version of their story. When done well it can be really satisfying.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 13th 2019 at 8:28:54 AM

I'm also thinking that Adam, Jacques or Raven should get a Redemption Quest at some point.

Also, is it just me, or does the battle remind some of The Iron Giant?

Edited by gjjones on Jan 13th 2019 at 8:33:12 AM

I'm up for the idea of a terrible person doesn't turn good, but ends up working with the heroes for a mutual goal that happens to align with their objectives to some extent or that the heroes become desperate enough to work with those who have a low morality.

The idea being that people like Adam and Raven are not good, but they are a lot less problematic than the bigger threat.

In a perpective, Raven did less wrong that Adam even when both join force with Salem, is weird but that is fandom for you.

In pragmatic stance, Adam is too much unstable for that, he will never work with a human and even less with a schnee.

I can't believe I have to defend Adam on something, but he was never shown as having a problem with working alongside humans. When Cinder and her orphan hoes tried to recruit him he refused, but he nonetheless heard them out and allowed them to leave peacefully. Heck, Sienna actually threatens to execute him for bringing Hazel to the throne room, while Adam shows no problems with having Hazel around.

That and Blake seems to be what has him the most unstable overall. It would be possible to negotiate with him once he gets his marbles back and I've stated enough what I would definitely want to see him accomplish.

It seens more a transition as he become more unstable and power hungry, is short show him more and more ego driven the more rise on WF ranks, considering Cinder offer past moment before beacon academy it show it push him over th

Which is the problem: you can in theory imagine him as that in V2 to the first half of 3 were he is rational actor, since V3 onward, he is pretty move by spite, to the point he try to blew everyone else at the end of V5 and stalk Blake in V6 even when he could try to do something else.

Is incapable of be rational with him, is pretty much Kylo ren 0,2 which is why annoyed so much, if you want him to have around, he need to be defeated and evolve over a petty grudge.

That exchange in the previous page can apply for literally every other villain.

For the recap situation, I learned that the RWBY Rewind trailers aren't normally supposed to be troped because they sometimes hide or remove the context of things. So at least, we'll have to wait until the episode's actually released (in this case, it's on Saturdays). Speaking of which, we're down to two more episodes.

Edited by gjjones on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:34:09 PM

Some better than othees, the only one I can see reddem are Hazel, Merc and Emerald, everyone else is fair game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/ag0375/volume_6_chapter_12_preview_from_rwby_rewind/

So the Chapter 12 preview is up. I like the heroes actually coming up with decent sounding plans of attack. Surprisingly it doesn't seem like Cordovin's missile actually connected with the Maria's plane, it was just a close call I guess. As people expected, it seems like this volume will wrap with a battle against an oceangoing Grimm drawn in by the fighting and the relic, and the Atlesian radar operators are distracted from their post by Cordovin's grandstanding.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 14th 2019 at 6:11:39 AM

I think he'll die, but his mask reveal seems to be set-up for the Atlesian storyline.

I've got a feeling that Cordovin will easily be defeated by then, so the heroes can stop the Grimm from attacking afterwards.

Something coming [1]◊

Also are the solders cheering for Cordovin or against her?

Presumably for Cordovin, they're likely not happy to see some punks taking one of their planes out for a joyride, and there's a certain jarhead-ish appeal to bringing out the big guns as a show of force instead of doing the level-headed thing and scrambling a flight of interceptors.

I can’t see Adam living past this fight

This really feels like the end for him

I will be weird for me to said this but is a shame and somewhat sad because I see a lot of potencial for Adam to be a great villian and I feel they took the wrong choice with is chararterization.

The problem with him, weirdly, is that they made the conflict with him too personal. It feels like his complete obsession with Blake really undermines his character and the White Fang as a whole when you consider that Sienna and any future conflict with the White Fang was sacrificed for the sake of this storyline and character angle.

Is not weird, is problem a) like you said, focusing too much is obsesion with blake, is derrange personality that make him look like Kylo ren, they try to make him too much unsympathic that they forgot he is a terrorist, not a incel.

I think a way to have done it differently is for Adam to be banished from the White Fang for his actions during the attack on Beacon but instead of just going into exile he leaves with a group of loyal extremists effectively splitting the White Fang.

So Sienna continues to exist with her faction and Adam's faction allies with Salem's group so that he can take his revenge on Blake and conduct further terrorist strikes against humans (such as blowing up the Huntsmen Academies).

Then you begin to resolve it by having Adam lose most of his faction of extremists during the attack on Haven; also revealing that he cares less about his allies than he does on getting revenge and instead of suddenly appearing towards the end of volume 6 we get to see a few more scenes of him emphasising his insanity and paranoia by turning on the last couple of extremist White Fang members that followed him.

Anyone else notice how Oscar seems unusually worried about Ruby in particular during this fight; rather than say Jaune, Nora, or Weiss, all of whom also were in a dangerous situation?

Edit: You know, I was kind of disappointing by the lack of a major shift in the status quo after the volume went for a Monster of the Week setup after the massive bomb of 6-3, but if I'm right and Ozpin isn't coming back any time soon, that's a pretty significant change.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 15th 2019 at 11:05:43 AM