Politics in Media - The Good, the Bad, and the Preachy

See: left wing antisemitism. “But Israel” and “the right is worse” are practically their catchphrase at this point.

@Robrecht

In my case, when it comes to the mining industry it englobes what you mentioned plus a lot of ecological concerns when mining does not dispose of its leftover correctly. A legitimate concern of the memory when the state didn’t kept good vigilance over the mines.

Even then, the mining sector is the backbone of our economy, so when left wing groups start shouting “agriculture yes, mining no” instead of trying to find a compromise, that means our economy stalls and goes down.

And fails hard. Thought have to admit that it sucks to be a miner country, we should find ways to process the metals ourselves rather than just selling them.

You need money and compromise for that, the latter is being worked on as we clean ourselves of the corrupt filth in the system; the former requires enough stability in the country to attract investment.

I should try it someday. But yeah, I actually had the America Analogue/Sucessor State do that in my novel, mind you, they all had reasons for that, with genuine desire to avoid commiting crimes and allowing the world to do their own, that the enemies weren't a Card-Carrying Villain also helped.

Issue is, they eventually allowed the International Situation to worsen and when they actually got their shit together, the Anti-Villain side was already extremely weakened while the Global South is in burning ashes, with already millions of deaths and considerably less sympathetic, faction already had taken advantage of the chaos.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 14th 2019 at 3:29:07 AM

@Rightist Protagonists: It depends on what you mean by rightist, too. The thing is, most popular heroes are actually fairly apolitical except in a generic, broadly popular "feel-good" ways (IE, supporting democracy).

For example, Mario. We know he condones monarchy of some sort. Figuring out his politics beyond that requires a lot of inference, and perhaps says more about the person inferring than it does about Mario. Though, to be fair, supporting monarchy actually does say a few things about him-we can rule out him being a communist, for example. We can rule out him being a pacifist, too, even of the technical variety. While calling him a psychopath is a massive overstatement, he probably is a Blood Knight. He might have some capitalist leanings judging by how much he seems to like getting coins.

He probably wouldn't vote Trump, though, since Mario is from a city like New York to begin with. Also, Bowser really does have a lot in common with Trump in terms of personality. Mario also strikes me as a Wife-Basher Basher of sorts who wouldn't put up with Trump's sexual harassment of women.

But going for more examples:

-Iron Man, obviously.

-Juan Rico

-Debatable, but Captain America. He does seem to be some embodiment of an idealized version of the "good ol' ways".

There's the protagonist of the game I'm making, too, who I'm trying to make pretty sympathetic.

Yeah also in fiction there is charartet who embodies values and chararter with values opinions which is too diferent things, you can said Captian is a sort of fantastical embodiment of right wing values: he is moral, never compromise to evil, is sort of meritocratic, fight in the army,etc.

Re: the draft vs volunteer armies

I'll just report what Max Uriate, former US Marine and creator of the Terminal Lance comic series, has to say about why the volunteer system is best:

Another right-wing hero is BJ Blaskowitz from the Wolfenstein games. He's the archetypal "conservative white male US Army veteran" who is strongly implied to support the draft and shouts down his universe's equivalent of anti-war protesters as being traitors and cowards. Nevertheless, he's gets along with minority and POC characters just fine and sets aside his disagreements to help them fight off the Nazis.

BJ wasn't Jewish? Heck, one part of his backstory is that his father sold him and his mother to the Nazis.

He's half-Jewish from his mother's side and Polish-American from his father's, but it's obvious that Blaskowitz still acts like a characteristic "white male conservative veteran" since New Colossus clearly depicts his father as being anti-Semitic and prohibiting BJ from identifying as Jewish.

Come of think of it, Blaskowitz also embodies that type of American conservative whose ancestors immigrated from the "inferior" nations of Europe such as Poland, Italy, Ireland, or Russia, only for the descendants to become conservative as they realized the perks of being "white Americans".

Edited by FluffyMcChicken on Aug 14th 2019 at 7:49:43 AM

No reason why you can't be Jewish and Conservative.

a good chunk of jewish are conservative, Is not really surprising.

Not to be confused with Conservative Judaism, of course.

Wikipedia's page on it

It should be noted that the majority of Jewish people in the USA are aligned with the Democratic Party. Which isn't to say they aren't conservative — the Democratic Party is a big tent party with room for conservatives, contrary to what some progressives might say (and it has room for progressives, contrary to what some conservatives might say).

Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2019 at 9:46:02 PM

Note the Democratic Party is the party of segregation and racism in WW 2.

It's also the party of labor thanks to Roosevelt.

It's a dichotomy.

We're talking about the present day Democratic Party, not what it was before the Southern Strategy split.

Eh, those who say that the Dems have no progressives tend to be Purity obsessed Progressives

Yeah, there this tendecy to think the left dosent have conservative, specially since progresive have taken the party, is annoying in manyw ay because you have a sort of values dissoance between regresive left here in latin america because is not a thing in US.

And hopefully never will.

I'm referring to BJ who is from the 1940s

I doubt it will get to the point here in venezuela because the left here was dominate by militaries and castro goons who swich the left into a statism with all the mess that it entails, but I get the feeling the US left dosent really get LA left at all.

If they did they probably wouldn't have been so quick to support Chavez and stick with Maduro.

Some of the more self-aware leftists have acknowledged that they let their love of socialism blind them to the warning signs that were showing up even during Chavez's time.

Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2019 at 10:34:47 PM

Incidentally that was my one big criticism of Lula and the Worker's Party in general - it's one thing to have diplomatic relations, but actively speaking well of Chavez and campaigning for Maduro was very poor judgment on his part and fueled right-wing paranoia about PT wanting to install a leftist dictatorship similar to Chávez, when in fact neither Lula nor the latest PT candidate Haddad ever showed any desire to do so. Even if they wanted to they would simply not be able to do so because they wouldn't have the support of the public, the financial elites, or the army.

People projected too much on to Chavez.

Is intersting because chavez Is pretty much Trump but smart: everything Trump did Chávez did waaaay better.

"It should be noted that the majority of Jewish people in the USA are aligned with the Democratic Party. Which isn't to say they aren't conservative — the Democratic Party is a big tent party with room for conservatives, contrary to what some progressives might say (and it has room for progressives, contrary to what some conservatives might say)."

The most conservative a present-day Democrat can really be these days is a classic neoliberal. The party's a big tent, but the tent isn't infinite in size and scope. The real right wing will always feel alienated by the party's ideological tentpoles.

Re: conservative Jews

There are plenty of conservative Jews. The entire neoconservative faction owes its existence to them, where a significant portion of the left-wing, Trotskyist intelligentsia of th 1970s (many of them Jews) abandoned that ideology for conservatism, but retained the triumphalist, internationalist "spread the Revolution to the world" ethos.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 14th 2019 at 11:29:39 AM