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If you're looking for smart writing in Kingdom Hearts then drop the series. It's unlikely to happen.
Every KH story has been some manner of stupid.
The people that enjoy the KH the best are the ones that acknowledge that it's ridiculous and convoluted but come to the series because it's ridiculous and convuluted.
Literally every bullshit trope is here from time travel to cloning to Deus Ex Machinas to childish dialogue to idiot balls to insane metaphysical rules etc.
Edited by MadSkillz on Feb 11th 2019 at 9:32:02 AM
Either that or they're attached to the characters, which, to be fair, they have been following them for a very long time now.
I just realized. Vanitas Remnant hinted at Vanitas not being dead.
It's right there in the name. REMNANT.
I mean, in this game, I definitely thought that there was better dialogue than usual (not everything, of course, but still some good stuff), and several nice character moments (even outside of the big reunion scenes). That, I think, is what a lot of people are here for.
My understanding is that general reaction to the game seems to be mostly positive though, negative opinions are mostly from people who didn't like previous games either.
Like, most negative opinions from people who did like the series seems to come from this thread
Like as someone who hasn't played any of them and just watched cutscenes from all three, third game is pretty much same as two previous ones.
I continue to greatly enjoy the story of Kingdom Hearts. The story is one of the things I love most about this franchise. It's nowhere near the best story ever written but I greatly enjoy it nonetheless.
The one thing everyone here at least can agree is a flaw in KH III is the way Kairi was handled.
We're not fans of fridging.
Edited by M84 on Feb 12th 2019 at 1:41:36 AM
Yeah, I can get behind that. I actually rolled my eyes when she got damseled.
Then she got fucking murdered and I was like "Wait, what?"
I didn't expect anything from Kairi so it didn't phase me, but I agree that was a poor move on their part.
Even though I wasn't surprised, I was still disappointed.
Yeaaaah. And even here fridging is pretty much the main negative point.
I definitely agree it feels like copout to have Kairi get keyblade at 2's end but never use it :P
And for them to set her up as changing her story around and having agency in the fight, to then go "lolnope".
Like, I get it; freezing someone on top of a big plateau is one of Xehanort's signature moves, but really?
Killing Kairi was also weirdly out of character for Xehanort. Like, he's never been sadistic and doesn't even seem that malicious, really. When he thought Ven was dying after being split in two he took him to Destiny Islands to live out his final moments in a place of peace, for example.
Yeah. Like, some people say that Xehanort's motives are stupid and make no sense but they seemed fine to me. While he's always been evil, he's never seemed completely malicious. He always came across as a guy who was doing what he had to do to achieve his goal. He certainly didn't care if someone got hurt in the process but he also didn't seem to go out of his way to hurt people. Just simply holding Kairi hostage would have been sufficient to force Sora to fight him.
Not that Sora would have hesitated to fight him regardless but whatever.
It's possible to promise nothing and deliver less. I expected nothing from Kairi and they still managed to leave me coming away disappointed.
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 12th 2019 at 3:14:35 PM
He always seemed much more pro-darkness then what he wound up as.
60% completion of Arrendale doesn't necessarily mean people aren't finishing it. It could just mean people aren't playing as much as we did.
or that achievements of that sort can be rather silly percentage reports wise
like those games where the achievement for starting it has less than 70% rate
Some people might just be taking their time.
I have a friend who's still in the Toy Box because he's trying to grab everything.
I cannot agree on this point. Xehanort has ever been the kind of enemy to do overly cruel things to rile up his opponents or lord his superiority over them.
A few moments come to mind, like destroying the Land of Departure for no reason other than to drive home his point that Terra has no choice but to fight him, and no home or master to return to. Or that big speech where he basically named Ventus as nothing more than his weapon. Or the speech he gave Terra when he sent Vanitas to kill Aqua and then trapped Terra on the plateau: “You see how powerless you are to save them? Savor that rage and despair! Let it empower you!” And before that, he did to Ventus nearly the same as he did to Kairi; freezing him and then dropping him off a mountain to make a point. Xehanort is far from a kind enemy, is what I’m saying.
He killed Eraqus with a fireball to the back
Him killing Kairi isn't so petty benaeth him act
There's a world of difference between those acts and what he did to Kairi, though. Take for example. Eraqus was a threat to Xehanort's plans. He not only very nearly killed Ventus, he was also the one with the best chance to pull Terra off of his path or done any number of other things. Eraqus needed to be eliminated in order to ensure things continued smoothly. He also wanted Terra to do it in order to steep Terra's heart further in darkness to make him a more perfect vessel for Xehanort's own heart. That's why he did, like, half of the things in your list.
I'm not saying Xehanort is kind, I'm saying that there's a reasoning behind all of his actions, a certain sense of logic. I can't think of a single instance where he does something just to be cruel outside of killing Kairi. After all, Sora would have fought him regardless and he didn't want Sora to succumb to darkness anymore.
its clear what Xehanort needs is 13 lives lost to create his keys... not clashes... 'even though Xion and Terranort don't make sense unless it a case that the Xehanort clone heart died, hence the big black pillar' 'Maybe Repliku 1 counts since he vanishes in a pillar of light
So if you want pragmatism... He killed the easiest light he could to create the final key... while also rubbing the fact that he'd won in Sora's face
Cause it was just 'clashes' you could theoretically get away with 2 guys and a really good medic to forge the keyblade
I mean, I think there's probably a middle ground both sides are right thing BS possible where, he doesn't ever seem to take pleasure or satisfaction from the acts of cruelty themselves and doesn't engage in it for its own sake.
Whenever he does something cruel, it's for a purpose, in his mind.
Or it's because he just doesn't care.
Which, the motivation thing is technically a purpose, albeit a stupid one.
I personally think wanting to destroy darkness and ever giving up, at all, ever, in any capacity are way more contrary to his characterization, for whatever that's worth.
Except Kairi doesn't make the last one, it happens when Sora and the others launch themselves at him after.
Edited by unnoun on Feb 12th 2019 at 9:22:31 AM
You'd think all those clashes with the Heartless would also count, with them being pure DARKNESS and everything
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