Kingdom Hearts III Spoiler Thread

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I think the issue is Sora's goal is to achieve the power of Waking... He only learns it due to the Near Death experience at the end where he just kinda achieves it

How about after the Olympus, Yensid tells him that the power of Waking was achieved by one other Keyblade Master who may have left clues on these worlds places The Master was noted to have gone and communed with the world's very heart while unlocking them. connecting to the World's heart may allow Sora access to those memories

Basically its Find the world's Keyhole all over again, Sora connects with the World's heart and his head is just filled with memories till he gets a glimpse of the Armored Master 'speaking' the lesson... Each connection would be like a Dive to the heart giving you glimpses of the past, including an awesome segment where you are in the midst of the melee of the keyblade war 'Granted the Unions would have matching armor and keyblades instead of whatever the fuck they felt like wearing'

However Sora only gleams the lessons in bits and pieces... It like your being handed puzzle pieces a few at a time. Sora kinda gets what each lesson means but they don't seem to make much coherent sense together

The Keyblade Master is refereed to as the Survivor of the Keyblade War as in they fought in EVERY Battle of it. some say they were the LONE survivor and all Keybladers of the present are descended from this one master. While Sora is familiar with Keyblades of Light and Darkness, This one was a master of the Heart itself

That's pretty good, actually. It gives Sora agency, rather than randomly wandering around hoping for the best - he's consistently making progress.

They made a point with the foreshadowing across the worlds he'd get the power when it matters most and when he finds what he wants to protect the most. Which would then carry a steep price that hell have to pay in the process.

Not to mention early on at Yen Sids Towrt they even talk about he always finds ways to bs new powers...which is why the goddamn attractions are a thing thats unexplained ingame.

Dammit!

They even bring up the train one specifically so they all know about it but they don't explain them because Sora literally asspulled the attractions into existence to aid himself. That is the most convoluted thing imaginable.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 10th 2019 at 11:03:43 AM

Foreshadowing the fact Sora is written as a lucky idiot rather than a real character doesn't actually make it better writing.

I honestly find it easier to handle if Kairi wasn't fridged to make it happen. Or if they had had chemistry, a decently built relationship arc, etc.

If Donald and Goofy died at the end and he used the Power of Waking to bring them back after the three of them bested Xehanort I would totally be up for it and find it fine, but it all relates back to the Sora and Kairi relationship. Which itself doesn't have the weight behind it to make the asspull appealing.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 10th 2019 at 11:07:14 AM

thats basically saying Sora' dicking around for 80% of the game till Eh He'll get handed the power up he needs so don't worry about it watch our shot by shot remake of Let it go!

Being honest about it doesn't make it better

I mean, doesn't he first use the Power of Waking to bring back Ven, and then bring back everyone after they all get taken by the Heartless? That's not just down to Kairi getting fridged - that's actually the last time he uses the power.

That seemed to be what they were going for, since Darkness within Darkness is first brought up in DDD by Ansem SOD against Riku, and the Lich does the exact same thing.

x2 Soras always gained powers through the story without really trying. He dicks around fighting others and gets them. KH 3 just made it overt because he doesn't get Waking easily the way he does anything else.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 10th 2019 at 11:18:05 AM

Oh man, I realized that Master Xehanort basically went "Yeah...sorry" at the end

@alekos He didn't even do that. He's just a graceful loser.

It was more like "well played, old chap".

I agree about wanting Reaction Commands back and here's why I think they worked better: They depended on the enemy.

At the moment in KH 3, I have all these things; Teammate Limits, Flare Force, Bombarder, Attractions, Keyblade Transformations, and Grand Magic and I have them EVERY fight. Because they come from Sora himself.

Meanwhile, Reaction Commands in KH 2 came from either your teammates (Beast, Tron, Riku, etc) or they came from reacting to enemies by learning how they moved and exploiting a weakness in that moveset. It actually felt like Sora was doing something to change up how he was approaching the fights (even if the player really wasn't) and also meant that I didn't have the same reaction commands every fight. In KH 3, I have the same things every fight.

As for the Disney Worlds and plot pacing, yeah, there's a big problem. None of my care, focus, or even sense of tension is on the Disney worlds right now. I'm far more interested in what Riku and Mickey are doing or, of all freaking people, what Hayner, Pence, and Olette are up to. And its for one very simple and very eas reason.

They're the only people actually moving the plot forward. They're the only ones getting the answers and making progress. And even then only barely as I'm entering the second to last world and Mickey and Riku have only just gotten back to the Realm of Darkness last I remember.

Sora's story consists of "Hey, a new world!" *Insert Disney Movie* "Sora! You need to find the power of waking!" "These things take time Donald! Oh! Hey! A new world!"

And that's boring. This game should have been Sora finding Aqua and saving Ven and them being part of the adventure. This game didn't understand why Radiant Garden was so important in KH 2. This game doesn't understand pacing and plot progression. The Anti-Aqua fight and subseqent rescue should have been an Act 1 finale or at least a good mid-point.

And, honestly, I'd have set it in Radiant Garden again. I don't understand how that world can be simultaniously important enough to constantly be cutting back to it every other level but not important enough to actually just go there.

It's kinda like Mass effect 3... The Gameplay is great... the problem is once you effectively know how to play, Enemies are simply NOT designed or capable of counter attacking or withstanding the sheer amount of damage you can easily throw out especially at high levels of play... all difficulty can do is either make them sponger, Hit hard and hit alot more often.

and Sadly that speaks to Osaka' design philosophy Everything is either Ball Buster full of Cheap gimmicks and enemies you can't combo or The Enemies are simply waves of peons that you annihilate with little resistance so you can grind even more absurdly powered skills.

Honestly if Final Mix comes out... I'd almost like an option to sacrifice Attractions for Bonus AP or something

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Radiant Garden and Destiny Island 'IE the fan requested world' not beig in the game either Tells me Nomura is out of touch with his audience or.. The Disney worlds ate up SOOO much of the development time with the constant rewrites and back and forth... Nomura's want to do Modern Disney worlds may have been his mistake possibly he thought it be case Disney wouldn't care what KH did with the worlds... Well it didn't work that way

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:04:23 AM

I don't really see why Radiant Garden needed to be playable. The plot didn't require it at all.

It needed to be playable because taking Sora there might have allowed him to have agency in the plot progression as, currently, everyone else sets up the plot for him while he fucks off to Disneyland.

Edited by InkDagger on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:46:23 AM

That and RG has been one of the center pieces of the KH saga since 1... IT not being in a main line game is Ridiculous

plus it would be a much needed mid point break.

It really wouldn't. What would happen is exactly what already did happen, just in person rather than through the phone.

Yeah everything in RG happens without needing any them there. Only those who lived there + Demyx are ever needed for those scenes.

Fine then. How would YOU fix this mess of a plot if y'all have an objection to anything I suggest. I've no idea how else to.

Since the biggest problem in KH III is the way Kairi is used in the plot, maybe make it so that she is actually playable and not fridged?

That wouldn't really fix everything else but it'd go a long way to improve KH III's overall story. It is after all the one thing pretty much everyone here agrees is a serious flaw in the story.

Edited by M84 on Feb 11th 2019 at 6:35:51 PM

The only way to make Kairi better is A: Make her death a long list in them and have her die protecting Sora so you can have a call back to KH 1

That means getting rid of the Party wipe at the Start so picking off the lights one by one can have impact.

Honestly the only way to improve Kairi is A: Get her out of that Fucking forest and B: Doing something with Lea during the Game instead of standing around waiting for the Battle at the end which is 90% of thep lot... Dicking around till its time for this plot point to kick in

You know fine Sora shouldn't have to go to RG... You know three people who SHOULD go to RG?

Kairi, Lea and Aqua

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Feb 11th 2019 at 4:43:01 AM

Ok, I agree that she should do stuff. But what do we have her do in the plot? Not a criticism. Just a question.

Have a segment where we play her training with Axel. Two different times so we see training from his view too.

Also instead of killing her for Motivation SRK have a match with Xehanort and she uses her life to heal the other two when they get severely injured partway into it. Have it happen before we finish the Three Xehanorts who are fought afterwards, based on what I mentioned before(Riku vs Ansem, Sora vs YX, Roxas vs Xemnas)

Xemnas never kidnaps her either. She struggles and gets some hits in followed by Xion and Axel helping.

Id also have the spirits of everyone including her appear alongside the physically there Donald snd Goofy to help cheer him on as the three beat Old Baldys Beam War.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:03:34 AM

That’s not what this was.

Xehanort’s plan was to re-create the Chiblade, and then use it to reveal Kingdom Hearts to all the worlds, causing it to spark a new Keyblade war by getting people to covet the light and fight for it again.

His intitial plan for this was to make Ventus and Vanitas fight and fuse, because he knew the Chiblade was composed of light and darkness. After this failed, he found out that when the original Chiblade was broken in the war, it shattered into 20 pieces; 13 of darkness and 7 lights. So in order to get the mix right, that’s how many people he needs to have this big fight to begin the war.

But instead of gathering exactly 7 and 13, shouldn't he be making sure the amount of light & dark in the fighters is 35% and 65% respectively?