Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Regardless you cannot say Cap killed all those Wakandans.

They were gonna fight no matter what.

Edited by slimcoder on May 31st 2019 at 4:49:50 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

It would be significantly harder for Thanos to do so if Vision had died a day earlier and with no body to reconstruct.

What makes you think that? Strange used the Time Stone to peer into fourteen million futures; Thanos could easily just reverse the timeline until the Vision wasn't dead and then take the Stone, like he did.

Also, now you want them to kill Vision and destroy his body?

Edited by alliterator on May 31st 2019 at 4:53:57 AM

Vision exploded when the Mind Stone was destroyed, so that part’s a given. It’s actually not that hard.

If anything it would probably take less time to get it because he'd be destroyed in an area unrelated to Wakanda and a army standing in his forces way.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

In the long run, I don't have a problem with letting Shuri try. I just don't like Steve's line.

"We don't trade lives."

This is a terrible way to lead into a set of films about buying victory with blood. Yes, the heroes trade lives. Two lives are traded to defeat Thanos. Three if you count Vision's thwarted sacrifice.

It's an empty platitude that rings especially hollow coming from the lips of Captain Self-Sacrifice. A man who once shit-talked Tony for not being willing to lay on a grenade.

It's a bad line. If you're going to have your hero say shit like that, you need to be prepared to back it up.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 31st 2019 at 5:59:42 AM

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Because everyone isnpt trying to trade other peoples lives like their a commodity. It's only done as a very last resort by said person, or Wanda with Vision. Hell the whole deal on the Soul Stone was Hawkeye and Black Widows unwillingness to trade the others life.

Thanos on the other wouldn't hesitate to kill everyone if it achieves his goal, and he'll always go for the solution that trades countless lives to get his desired result.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 31st 2019 at 5:02:36 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I don't like that the plot frames Thanos’s problem as “he doesn't hesitate to sacrifice” when it should really be “he keeps saying he’s sacrificing when he’s really just killing unconsenting captives who want nothing to do with him”.

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Edited by slimcoder on May 31st 2019 at 5:09:08 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

He doesn't hesitate to kill the daughter he loves. Because his grand vision is far more important than anything else.

He even denies her the right of self-sacrifice twice, once to see if her BF Peter had the balls to do it, and second when she tries to kill herself rather than be offered up like a lamb for the slaughter by Thanos.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 31st 2019 at 5:10:07 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

He shouldn’t love her, though. He’s not her father, he’s the shed guy from Room.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 31st 2019 at 5:19:58 AM

Hey don’t tell anyone how to feel.

If he loves her, he loves her regardless of how insanely toxic & horrible it is.

If he feels like her father then he feels like her father even if he actually isn’t.

Edited by slimcoder on May 31st 2019 at 5:20:59 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Killing(Trading) a person life for the grand vision one uphelds fits perfectly for Ego The Living Planet.

It perfectly showcases how Ego The Living Planet cares about themselves and their ideals than they do another person. And when it comes to said vision sacrificing them is what they'll do.

Its pretty clear in this regard Thanos is meant to be incredibly similar to Ego for a reason and how they treated the person they loved most that wasn't themselves.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 31st 2019 at 5:23:11 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Claiming that when Steve said "we don't trade lives", he meant "we don't sacrifice anyone, ever" instead of "we're not killing Vision right here, when there might be alternatives" is being willfully ignorant and stupid, and outright refusing to read into the incredibly obvious subtext in favor of the interpretation that fits your stupid narrative the most.

Tobias, I accuse you of arguing in bad faith, since you're openly ignoring the subtext and context of the scene and the way Chris Evans delivers the line, which makes it very obvious what he means by it.

Subtext? Context? What are thooooose?

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Okay, at this point, I think we've gotten way off topic and think we should stop. Debating is good, insulting is bad.

I guess it's a good thing that I kept my expectations for Endgame at bay. Incredible theater experience that I wouldn't mind seeing again, but I knew it'd have less substance and more holes and lows than a good chunk of Phase 3.

Also I know I'm not as hardcore into some of the discourse here as the rest of you but since we're just about wrapping up this here "Infinity Saga" I think I should up and say I've enjoyed talking in these Marvel threads and getting to know you guys and gals immensely. Buncha gooduns y'all are.

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x3 Way out of line.

I take it issue with saying it has "less substance" than most for some reason.

Edited by slimcoder on May 31st 2019 at 5:48:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I don't see why you should. Different people have different sensibilities after all. I could easily do the same and dismiss a number of things other people consider good or great, and it'd be no different.

Edited by VeryMelon on May 31st 2019 at 5:54:49 AM

Only Steve is allowed to self sacrifice. He wrote it into the Avengers charter

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"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

So, now that we've had time to digest the end of the Infinity Saga, I was wondering: what would Joss Whedon's versions of Infinity War and Endgame have been like?

For the record, I'm not saying that Joss should have gotten the job. Even beyond his... problematic personal history, I think Whedon just had a very particular way of making Avengers films that got somewhat repetitive. I just think it'd be an interesting thought experiment.

Whedon was very into comic Thanos, and so the grape probably be closer in characterization, i.e. the ultimate nihilist who only fails because of his subconscious desire to. That probably means that Inifinity War changes massively. Endgame, not so much, given the relatively small plot role Thanos plays there.

The big question mark for me is the Soul Stone. I honestly think it's 50-50 whether it stays like it is in the films we got. To my mind, the entire purpose of the Manpain Soul Stone was to give the grape extra pathos, that he sacrifices his own daughter to achieve what he believes is a good for the universe. If that underlying motivation's gone, then I don't see the use in making the Soul Stone that way. Then again, it could have been a product of discussion between the writers, directors, producers, actors, etc, so it may have been the same regardless. But I'm not really sure.

What do y'all think?

I don't think Whedon's version would've been better, but I can pinpoint how it'd be different.

One thing that he brought up in an interview before Age of Ultron is that he hates when franchise movies make references to prior films that don't work as moments in their own context. A specific example he pointed out was the gag in Temple of Doom where Indy tries to shoot the swordsman but his gun is missing, the joke being that he can't reuse the trick from Raiders. So that's why Age of Ultron has almost no references to prior Avengers jokes and tries to be very self-contained (arguably too much, to the point of having an unconvincingly happy ending.)

Infinity War and Endgame, inversely, are very referential. Mantis brings up Kevin Bacon to Thor because that was a joke from Guardians 1. Peter commands his suit to "Activate Instant Kill" because that was a function introduced in Homecoming. Korg and Miek show up in Thor's house with zero explanation for who they are. Heck, 50% of the plot of Endgame is basically references to prior movies.

Whedon also dislikes movies that end on cliffhangers, so that the ending of Infinity War where Thanos wins and kills half of all life? Wouldn't have happened.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 31st 2019 at 8:37:28 AM