Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

He also tweeted that he would’ve found it more interesting if Merged Hulk were the consequence/reward of Hulk and Banner working in unison to undo the Snap.

Wouldn’t have had much time to get to know him then

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

People overestimate Shuri a lot.

Just because she's the smartest person on the planet does not mean she's better in everything.

Just because "less intelligent" people have achieved it does not mean that she can also.

There's an easy solution to accessible, consequence-free time travel and it's called Kang the Conqueror.

It's called "Doctor Doom has a time platform."

I almost thought you said "Doctor Who." XD ^_^;;

I like to keep my audience riveted.

are we expecting to see galactus in the near future?

Migrated to Chloe Jessica!

Seeing? Yes. In the near future? No. For one the plans for the upcoming phase were made before it was known if the merger would go through. And two, even if they get to the fantastic 4 early, they will most likely built up to him. Unless they throw in a Silver Surfer movie (which imho would be the best way to introduce Galactus anyway).

I hope they do like Spider-Man: Homecoming and make a Fantastic 4 movie in Phase 4. The F4 might not be as high-profile as Spider-Man, but they deserve a good MCU film more than he did, just because Spider-Man's previous incarnations were all much better than the F4's previous film incarnations.

Oh, I think that they have some ideas. But the schedule is also pretty full in the next years. They need to capitalize on Black Panther and Captain Marvel as much as they can.

For a strange reason I had the theory that the same gems would be the final villain.

That theory was because the reason why Loki went from being a tragic villain to being a delusional psychopath is because of the gem.

So I figured that gems had some corrupting power.

Well the Soul Gem is pretty bloodthirsty and specifically wants people to kill their loved ones

So I wouldn’t call them “good”

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

I kind of thought that they would pull a guardians at the end, with all Avengers having to wield one of the gems.

I kind of expect that they will leave the alternate timelines mostly out of the MCU and will only address them in their animated shows.

Edited by Swanpride on May 15th 2019 at 7:07:04 AM

To be fair, the explanation of the gem, was only to explain the change of Loki, so surely they will never deepened in it.

It was the Mind Gem, specifically handed to Loki by Thanos. And it later influenced multiple people into building it a robot body

... hmm. I wonder if Vision could have handled all the Infinity Stones

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

I just wondered if the Russos shot two versions of the Vormir scene...

Alternate timelines/universes are one of the things I think work better in a series (be it TV or comic) rather than movies - you get a lot more time to explore them, or if you're fine with only having a short bit, can make so damn many. Spider-Verse managed by only really having a single character be properly compared between universes, and using a lot of shorthand (this character is a funny animal, this character is anime, this character is dark but played for laughs). Though the MCU does seem to be dipping a little bit into alternate universes now.

Also, as several people have said, a divergent timeline could be a reasonable excuse for getting a tie-in but not having to obey continuity.

The gems are mostly just 'power corrupts'. The mind gem is outright capable of mind control, so may be the most dangerous in that respect.

Edited by HalfFaust on May 15th 2019 at 7:16:19 AM

The plot not wanting her to.

Like I said, the time machine is a Big Plot Thing. She will only figure it out if the writers decide they need Black Panther to have a time machine, which seems unlikely going forward.

That's actually a really good article. He talks a lot about some of the same things that bother me with this film. Endgame is a series of superficially cool moments with very little depth of theme and almost no effort to establish or flesh out character arcs - in some cases, even going so far as to reject characters' years-long arcs wholesale.

It's an easy movie to get emotionally invested in, but doesn't really leave a lot of food for thought. While also screwing up a lot of the characters it touches. As a blockbuster movie, it's every bit as loud and exciting and emotion-wrenching as one could want. But as the Final Chapter, the last word on all these characters and the decade-long journeys they've been on, it drops the ball.

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.

This is because, despite what the writers and Kevin Feige want you to believe, they never planned out most of the movies. Sure, they probably thought up some big moments, but they never sat down and said, "Okay, here's where Black Widow's story is going for three movies and here's where Hulk's story is going for three movies" and so on. It's not a giant novel — it's disparate movies that have been connected together.

Now, that isn't necessarily a bad thing — trying to force plot points into other director's movies was what made them bad in the early MCU, so letting movies just be, you know, movies and not the "next chapter" made them better — but it also meant that the "Final Chapter" had to, basically, invent some finality for its characters.

Kind of disagree because I still feel that where they dropped the ball the hardest was with Cap, and Cap had pretty much the same writing team from start to finish. But oddly they did better concluding Tony's and Nebula's stories than anyone elses...though in the case of Hulk and Thor it doesn't really feel like a conclusion anyway, more like another step in their journey. Natasha and Clint got screwed over, though, as usual.

Speaking of Nebula, I expected that she would get to know Loki, taking into account everything they have in common

Hey the man wanted to live out his dreams, nothing wrong with that.

Its like what they say about revenge. Contrary to whats typically said about it, revenge is fucking awesome.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

But a lot of the characters did have arcs. Endgame simply dropped the ball on them.

The most notable instance and the one that inspired that article is the fact that the Hulk's climactic resolution to his arc, the point where Banner and the Hulk make peace with each other and coalesce, happens entirely offscreen. Banner ends Infinity War at a point of conflict with the Hulk, where the Hulk has finally been made to feel vulnerable or whatever the hell is happening.

Infinity War concludes without ever explaining what's going on with the Hulk, but with the promise of some kind of third-act confrontation and final resolution to these two disparate identities.

Endgame sweeps it under the rug. When we meet Banner after the time-skip, he's already gotten his third-act confrontation out of the way offscreen and it never needs to be spoken of again. His role in the film is just to be wacky and resilient; his actual character plot, set up in Infinity War, was taken out behind the shed and shot to death.

Thor gets it even harder. I talked about this during Infinity War, that it straight-up reverses Ragnarok's development of him. At the end of Ragnarok, Thor has finally grown into the leader his people need him to be. He's strong, he's motivated, and he's outgrown the crutch that Mjolnir provided. He is no longer God of Hammers and never has to be again. He is ready to move into the future as Thor, King of Asgard (the people, not the place).

Infinity War takes that away from him by giving him back the crutch. To defeat Thanos, he becomes Thor, God of Cool Battleaxes, because Markus and McFeely totally missed the point of taking Mjolnir away from him and forcing him to come into his own without it. That he now be worthy so hard that he no longer needs a hammer to possess the power of Thor goes right over their heads.

Endgame doubles down on ruining Thor's story by turning him into a drunken slob and, by the end of the film, having him accept that he's a bad king, he can't be a good king, and Valkyrie should just rule their people while he has space adventures.

Hulk's story was unceremoniously shot to death offscreen, but Thor's story was brutally and maliciously beaten to death onscreen over the course of two films.

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.

I never understood how getting Stormbreaker undue's Thor's characterization from Ragnarok.

The guy needed a weapon. If he can't beat Thanos with his brute force then he needs a leg up on the guy.

Its only natural.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Because his character arc in Ragnarok is that he doesn't need a weapon because he already has everything he needs within himself.

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.