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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#476: Apr 19th 2019 at 7:37:41 AM

Do you really have to be snide about anything regarding the DCEU?

In any case every franchise movie is going to borrow a lot from the source material, BVS takes inspiration for a lot of things but its story is pretty original. Otherwise Iron Man 3 and Thor Ragnarok would actually be far better examples of that issue.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#477: Apr 19th 2019 at 7:44:13 AM

[up] I am not snide about the DCEU. I just doubt that this is a trend which has stopped.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 19th 2019 at 7:44:41 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#478: Apr 19th 2019 at 8:00:59 AM

Do you really have to be snide about anything regarding the DCEU?
Ahem: I absolutely love Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam. That does not mean that Batman v Superman was not a huge, steaming pile of crapola. And one of the reasons, of course, was that it tried to cram The Dark Knight Returns in with The Death of Superman, while forgetting what made either story good.

DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#479: Apr 19th 2019 at 12:20:28 PM

X-Men: Apocalypse also crammed in Xavier’s fight with Shadow King with the Horsemen of the Apocalypse storyline. Granted they replaced SK with Apoc but the movie just tried to do too much in one film.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Apr 19th 2019 at 3:21:43 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#480: Apr 19th 2019 at 10:43:30 PM

And then there is Thor Ragnarök, which combined Ragnarök with Planet Hulk.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#481: Apr 19th 2019 at 10:47:49 PM

It was more like an original story with elements of Walt Simonson's run and Planet Hulk. The worst part about that movie was that it kind of wasted Skurge's last stand.

DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#482: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:40:58 AM

X-Men 3 along with Spider-Man 3 are the last remnants of the tradition of comic book movies taking two actual but unrelated story arcs directly from the comics and slapping them together with no rhyme or reason. The end result was one primary story that took up most of the plot and the second story barely relates, evolves over the course of the film or resolve properly. The Burton/Schumacher Batman films were especially bad about this, and can be seen with the nonsensical villain team ups (you'd think Freeze trying to freeze the world would be bad for Ivy's plant utopia). End point though, the Dark Phoenix Saga should NOT have been the B story.

At least Venom got to fight the title hero unlike Jean.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Apr 20th 2019 at 5:41:31 AM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#483: Apr 20th 2019 at 4:00:28 AM

Generally speaking, it seems to work better when they include elements of certain stories but don't really try to do a proper adaptation. Ragnarok had Hulk as a gladiator on an alien planet but cut tons of stuff from Planet Hulk.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#484: Apr 20th 2019 at 4:04:55 AM

Though I did think that it was obvious that Waititi was more interested in the Planet Hulk part than the ragnarok part.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#485: Apr 20th 2019 at 5:11:34 AM

Maybe the rights Universal had to the Hulk prevented him from making Thor: Planet Hulk?

Edited by Xopher001 on Apr 20th 2019 at 3:11:54 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#486: Apr 20th 2019 at 5:19:23 AM

[up]Yes. But they only had to name the movie differently (meaning without including "hulk" in it) to sidestep Universal.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#487: Apr 21st 2019 at 12:55:48 AM

All they took from Planet Hulk was the basic premise of Hulk-as-Gladiator and a few names. It's In Name Only but done well regardless

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#488: Apr 26th 2019 at 6:54:02 PM

So they completely changed the 3rd act in reshoots[1] from being set in space to on a train. Which I find extremely disappointing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#489: Apr 26th 2019 at 7:07:59 PM

Ooof that's bad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#491: Apr 26th 2019 at 7:22:39 PM

R e a l i s m.

...

God, I hope they put Jean in her Phoenix outfit in the MCU to make Fox realise comic book stuff can work on film.

Mileena Madness
DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#492: Apr 26th 2019 at 8:14:51 PM

Realism has nothing to do with it. Test screening audiences just didn’t like it.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Apr 27th 2019 at 12:34:18 PM

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#493: Apr 27th 2019 at 3:59:05 AM

So this is hwo the movie franchise ends: With a whimpering choo choo

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#494: Apr 27th 2019 at 4:43:02 AM

So, this franchise began in a concentration camp, and it ends on a train.

Think that was intentional, or was it just a "FUCK IT! Its on a train now, so we can use the shots of the interiors and say its a train"

All they took from Planet Hulk was the basic premise of Hulk-as-Gladiator and a few names. It's In Name Only but done well regardless
Hulk being the inspiration for a revolution against a tyrannical despot who has taken over Sakaar and enslaved its people. Its basically as Planet Hulk as you can get without being intensely dark - remember, that shit got fucking BLEAK at times, and it ends with Hulks pregnant wife disintegrating in his arms.

Edited by qwigly on Apr 27th 2019 at 4:50:26 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#495: Apr 27th 2019 at 5:47:32 AM

I only saw the animated movie and wow was that one depressing. They killed a child in this one.

qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#496: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:19:57 AM

The animated movie was just one horrific, awful thing happening after another, until Hulk finally gets his happy ending. So imagine that, but if instead of a happy ending, the ship that the earth heroes shoved him in had a bomb on it that obliterated the planet, killing basically everyone except Hulk.

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#497: Apr 27th 2019 at 6:42:31 AM

[up][up][up][up] Wonder how it would have looked now.

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 27th 2019 at 9:42:53 AM

Mileena Madness
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#498: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:05:00 AM

[up][up] Wait...WHAT? So the Avengers destroyed a planet?

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#499: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:11:27 AM

I recall it wasn't a bomb, but an anti-matter warp core engine that powered the ship, only a city was destroyed, and it was planted by the Red King's men.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#500: Apr 27th 2019 at 8:43:32 AM

Planet Hulk the comic was capable of being a conclusive, happy ending for the Hulk. This being comics, that wasn't allowed. So World War Hulk pulled a Happy Ending Override using elements from the previous story that made the Illuminati, the group of heroes lead by Iron Man at the time, to look much worse for it.


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