Doki Doki Literature Club

True true. Enough about mc, is there any good ddlc mod or fanfic that isn't about "saving the dokis" because those are so formulaic that it's part of why my interest in ddlc died around the summer last year.

Also dadsuki is often portrayed as more than verbally abusive. Like i saw this mod, doki doki behinf closed doors where its implied dadsuki molests natsuki. No really THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENS IN THE MOD.

If I am not mistaken one mod has her father as Dio with a pink wig.

Doki doki a brand new day had dadsuki be dio.

You thought you were meeting a friend's father, but it was I, DIO!

Did brand new day get finished yet? Last I remember the demo ended with MC and the gang at his home.

Its still in the works, phantom is just working on the story. Than again MC is the most tragic character I've seen so far.

Edited by Redcornwall on Feb 21st 2019 at 10:44:18 AM

Would it be funny if i told ya'll i like Monika and think she's a cool character?

I mean, that's the popular opinion. Monika's considered to be pretty cool.

oh yeah i forgot. Lol. I think mc's a cool character with lots of potential if he wasn't relegated to stock.

If someone wants to tackle this concept again and focus on it from the perspective of the stock protag that'd be cool.

the reason the MC is just a vehicle is because the game dosent strickly need it.

Doki is horror game mascarading as romantic visual novel and strickly speaking, the only need chararter are sayuri, monika and the "player", even yuri and misuki and just sort of there as pseudo waifu/horror victims, they lure the player into a false sense of security and them get shit until they are gone into the last act.

because of this the MC isnt really important, but because of this he is painfully stright trope pley up in a sort of subversive game, which is why some people noticed it.

You can see the game is a horror story without a protagonist, is the weakest part of the game.

So I just learned about that short story written by Dan Salvato about a 19-year old girl who decides to kill a random person. You might want to just go ahead and read the first paragraph.

It's... chilling, for lack of a better word. It feels like something Yuri would have aloofly brought up in conversation.

Edited by Soble on Feb 25th 2019 at 6:08:26 AM

I'm still not sure if mc isn't needed. I just hate it when characters go the waste and it usually frustrates me in writing when the villian is more developed than the protagonist and vice versa and ddlc is no exception.

Also, I do think Dan gets too much praise. Just because MC's supposed "blandness" is intentional doesn't make it any less lazy or cheap. Also, MC really is too defined for me to insert myself into his shoes. I don't have a childhood friend like Sayori or a desire to impress 4 girls i just met at a club. And you can feel for characters without interacting with them. Heck, Presentable Liberty makes you feel for characters you never even meet.

It's better to give a writer praise for successfully writing what they intended to, not focusing on what they didn't.

It's not lazy and cheap to not focus on what doesn't matter to the main story, especially since this was just a small project.

Yeah, dude, MC reeeeally isn't as important to DDLC's story as you want him to be.

and no I'm not saying mc is super complex or anything really, i just have a bad habit of overacting to characters like and i usually feel bad for calling dan a lazy writer because I'm being such an ungrateful jerk. Oh well mc is not important by the end of the day an i should just accept it.

I can get why redwall is annoyed: this is a VERY minimalist story, with only five-ish chararters, a bunch of scenarios and only one ending, is more a storytellng experience than a game proper.

So it means if there is a weak point, it shows and the MC it does, is personality is gratting at first and then he just sort of disapear aftewards, even more weird with him flip flopping between existing or not is something that it could have being adress considering how meta it goes in the third act.

It dosent mean the game is bad in any way but....well, it shows

And about the story....I disagre soble, is less yuri and more proto-monika, that obsession with watching people, disecting and even forgeting they have history, you can see dan have the idea of monika before making doki literature club.

MC is pretty much a window to look through and his existence really only matters to one member of the club.

That's what i was trying to go with, tho i disagree with mc's personality being gratting. It's interesting actually. It would've been really irritating if he walked on eggshells whenever he's in sayori's presence then trippedand groped her. Though it's never explained how and why he disappears beyond "window for the players" which is at this point a half assed explanation otherwise don't put him in the game at all.

I just think mc deserves better than what he was given.

Actually something I've been wanting to know is are there any mods/fanfics that isn't about saving the dokis because they feel so formulaic and boring after i seen the 6th one.

He is a little bit cringy, like when he tie to sayuri you can see her expresion being unconfortable or call her dummy even when she confess her depresion or that....moment he have with ether yuri or nat come as "nononononono" kind of deal.

What is weird, salvato said is behivor with sayuri is because he is so used to her that way, which make no sense in "he is just a vehicle" a this point I just confused.

And...I will said no, most mods just reuse typical imagie of the game and most of them are just "let said the waifu" I will said some of them are rooted in the same old "desire to protect" mentality.

Yeah I'm kinda confused to regarding dan's coding for mc to.

Funny you mention the "must protec" mentality because the last thing the girls need is a white knight, especially sayori.

I'm glad this short story exist. It deconstructs the "save the doki" trope by showing gow damaging the method of saving them, namely sayori is.

I used to be into save the dokis fanfics last year and was one of the reasons i stuck in the fandom that time. Lost interest around the summer.

I still disagree about mc being cringey and i wish people stop acting like sayori is a retarded child that's need to be pampered just for being depressed.

I just think mc deserves better and should've been built up for his character instead of being lazy and leaving him "stock" just for the sake of plot convenience.

Edited by Redcornwall on Mar 3rd 2019 at 11:00:12 AM

agreed

Though to be fair time travel to save lives would always have the flaw of most travelers probably don't take into account the fact that people will definitely notice if you are acting very different from normal.

Though her reaction probably should more be assuming this is pity rather than being a white Knight

I consider Monika to be a pretty well-written character. Not to say I excuse anything she does (even if you convince yourself nothing is real, what she does is not ok), but they created a complex character with her.

As for the main character, yes he is supposed to be a bit of an empty plate or window (though personally, being a bookworm since like age 4, kind of had to get used to him) but I didn't really find him aggravating.

What I did find aggravating, is that after Sayori confesses her problems, she kills herself no matter what you do. Not saying that she needs a saviour, but why not try to see if the solution she herself proposes, that is, staying friends, actually helps after she at least confided in someone?

Just to be clear, this is about the development of the game itself. I know that in-game, the reason is of course Monika messing with the program (hell some point out Sayori struggling against the rope as a potential sign that she did not in fact want to hang herself, Monika did it for her while Sayori could do nothing to stop her own body.)

Edited by akanesarumara on Jun 29th 2019 at 5:52:24 PM