Darling In the FRANXX (Trigger/ A-1 Pictures collaboration)

Everything can be justified In-Universe. That don't make it less bigoted.

A story about how the evil robotic Non Binary elites uses Cingerder straight couples (and a Token teenage lesbian) as expendable Child Soldiers is really, really bigoted.

At this point. It really reminds me why I want a story about how the cold robotic elite is actually right.

edited 12th May '18 4:56:19 PM by KazuyaProta

It might be a thing rooted deeply in Eastern Religion. A lot of Eastern religions have the perfect deity, being, whathaveyou, as being both genders. Viewing it from that angle it doesn't become any different than any other story where the "gods" are bad.

Doesn't change how it can be viewed but there MAY be an element of cultural dissonance at play.

He actually was putting on a facade about being fine, and even admitted later he was confused because finding Hiro remembering the promise left him wondering how exactly he expected Hiro to act afterwards.

And he's finally gotten that closure this episode when Hiro states him forgetting the promise is why he closed himself off.

This. Even Amaterasu has been a man in myth.

edited 12th May '18 4:59:31 PM by OmegaRadiance

I was replying to Slim's point on how 9's are right because Kokoro justified her side from a book :V

This go about explaining how the Fate franchise loves gender flipping historical heroes.

edited 12th May '18 5:02:19 PM by BlackYakuzu94

@ Slim, Black: C'mon guys. He got over a grudge he'd nursed for years in large part because a new love interest came along and helped him out of his shell- with the acknowledgement of how messy and complicated Mitsuru's feelings about Hiro being directly compared to Kokomo's treatment of Futoshi and Mitsuru. And the childhood promise itself directly paralleling Hiro's connection to Zero Two.

And, y'know, learning that Hiro had been mindwiped and thus wasn't truly at fault for forgetting the promise did a lot to help get over it, so it clear wasn't about not wanted to admit he went through the suffering for nothing- it was how he thought that the promise that had meant so much to him meant nothing to Hiro. What part of any of this sounds in any way heterosexual?

I mean, it's not like anyone was doubting that he interested in Hiro before this episode. The only thing that's changed is that now we now he experiences attraction to girls- and therefore, he's Bi.

edited 12th May '18 5:04:49 PM by Gilphon

He literally said last episode that he was mostly posturing tho :/

Like, that's the main point you're missing. Hiro never even told him he got Mind wiped iirc, just that he remembered the promise.

I don't wanna downplay any interpretations you have, but that's literally what the show said.

edited 12th May '18 5:23:05 PM by BlackYakuzu94

Pretty sure that bit was decipherable from context. But I don't really see how that's an essential point, in any case. The fact remaining that absolutely nothing about how any of this was portrayed comes across as heterosexual.

I think saying it was solely posturing ignores just how obsessed he was with getting Hiro to notice him, a comparison Ikuno makes with herself before they separate. It's why he does that NTR attempt with Zero Two only to nearly be sucked dry.

Having someone else enter his life and take him out of that reclusive self-destructive path helped him move on, but even then he still wasn't sure how he felt about it even when he tells Hiro otherwise.

Spanish fans seem to want defend Kokoro a lot.

Uh, It seems that my sex obsessed culture is doing something good for once. Latino weebs seem to hate the Kokoro hate.

Traslation:

Futoshi: Its not fair, you left me on the Friendzone.

Kokoro: The friendzone dont exist, stop trying that I feel guilty for not be interesed on you in the same way that you are interested on me, I dont owe sex or romance for treating me like a human being. So stop crying fucking fattie :v

edited 12th May '18 5:41:04 PM by KazuyaProta

To be perfectly honest, the whole thing is so fucking muddled, like everything else in this show, it's hard to interpret what the intent was. And frankly, I'm losing interest in the subject, so it's whatever to me.

I mean it's not surprising if it being muddled was the product of the writing, much like this episode. And the issues started to be ironed out a lot as Hiro himself remembered.

edited 12th May '18 5:39:19 PM by OmegaRadiance

Well the characters aren't very interesting after all.

Its the reason why I'm siding with the 9's.

They are something of interest.

Heh that's funny.

edited 12th May '18 5:40:13 PM by slimcoder

This topic is an absolute goldmine of people reading things into the story that I don't believe were ever intended.

Ah, Internet, never change.

It's certainly one of those series where the message and implications will only be clear once the story concludes.

Are you sure? Because a story where a evil non-binary elite uses a bunch of cisgender teenagers as Child Soldiers is just so damn awkward

Is not only robots opressing teenagers, this episode made it the exact damn point of the episode.

Oh,and Shinzo Abe liked it.

Uh, trying to appeal straight teenagers by saying that asexuals and non binary are evil? That is SOOOO Abe

edited 12th May '18 5:49:58 PM by KazuyaProta

x3

It's like an inkblot test.

Pretty much.

…Is that gender controversy occurring in other places or is it just in this thread?

I mean, analysis videos and reviews about the show never bring up that stuff.

Ya know I just find it funny.

All this focus Kokoro gets & all it amounts to is "I want babies."

The crux of her character development is telling Mitsuru to "put a bun in my oven."

I cannot believe these two are our fucking Beta Couple, its hilarious.

This forum in kinda know for being more socially progressive (as much as I hate that word) than most places in internet excepting explicitly leftist ones.

Man, it's the dismissive attitude demonstrated the above posts that annoys me the most. Like, a character gives a dramatic speech about how gender as a concept is obsolete, and then people talking about the views on gender this show is presenting are reading to much into it? As if we're not just discussed the surface level of the things the characters are saying?

Like, I don't think the stuff Kazuya has been saying is the intended interpretation, but that some interpretation on that level is intended is pretty obvious. This is not a show that is subtle about its' themes.

Especially when said character is a villain.

I mean, the whole show is one metaphor for sex soooo....

Can you really blame people for being dismissive given how ambiguous the whole thing has been.

Having a villain says "gender is outdated" while our poor underdog main characters are cisgender used a Child Soldiers is far from ambiguous.

edited 12th May '18 6:56:50 PM by KazuyaProta

True but the story towards her conclusion isn't particularly compelling really.