Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony (spoilers)

The only good antagonist in the series is Izuru, and he's not even a villain.

Junko came off as being full of shit the whole time. But the fact that she's full of shit is why it's satisfying to beat her in the first game. A little disappointing that she gets off on it, but, you know, alls well that ends well and all that.

Junko being behind everything was a pretty shocking twist in the first game, but by SDR 2 and DRAE she kinda started to overstay her welcome. I think she stands out as a villain because she does things For the Evulz, but to be honest, I find Komaeda and Ouma a lot more interesting - and they’re not so much villains and more like anti-heroes, or just morally grey in general. Even Izuru and Tsumugi are more interesting.

People confuse a good twist with a good villain. She's always done things For the Evulz but that didn't make her a good villain the first time around.

Oddly, Monokuma is a good villain, but that's just because in every depiction, he has such great personality. But I think it's wrong to credit Junko for Monokuma's personality, even though she's the one pulling the strings in the first game. Or, to the extent that you can credit her for it, "Junko as Monokuma" is a good villain, but Junko as Junko is just "ugh get this over with already."

True. I suppose the only way Junko’s villainy really stands out to me is the shocking reveal of it in the first game, especially since up until that point we thought she was dead.

Sure. It's a great reveal. But, really, it's kind of pointless.

It's sort of an old Knox thing-"you have to be introduced to the killer early on." But, like, there's no reason why the cast needed to know Junko was even a thing from the beginning. So it was just kind of pointless for Junko to pull off that ploy, although it did give her the necessary corpse for when she was trying to make Naegi or Kyoko out to be the blackened.

So, in regards to Signature Scenes...which do you think are V3's? I only ask because I noticed that it didn't have an entry on that page, and I wanted add something for it.

I'd say Kaede's execution and the reveal of Team Danganronpa at the very least, right?

edited 7th Mar '18 2:31:53 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I'd also like to nominate that moment in Chapter 3's investigation where you find Kokichi lying in a pool of blood, with the usual death music playing, and then he gets up and confidently yells "It's a lie!"

Hmm, I don't know...would you say that it's a defining moment for the game, as seen by the fandom at large?

Also, something from Chapter 5 should be in there, I think...

I think just those 2 is enough.

Fair enough, I'll add them in.

I don't actually have a lot of powerful moments from the game that spring to mind. Though, I do remember that the unveiling of Kaito's lab was pretty cool.

Are we not counting Kokichi's speech at the end of Chapter Four as a signature scene? I think it was pretty powerful.

Someone already brought up Akamatsu's execution, so it's probably included. But what about the few specific seconds when the metal collar snaps around her neck and pulls her up as Saihara tries desparately to reach her in a futile attempt to pull her back down? That moment is too poignant for my poor little heart.

edited 8th Mar '18 12:16:54 PM by sleeping-in-bloom

That's getting a little too specific for this.

Only other thing that comes to mind is the Chapter 5 trial, with the whole question about who was alive and who was dead.

Oma Analysis.

I wish Angie and Rantaro's V As would confirm who they are already. Or at least someone finds solid evidence of who voices them. Rantaro is most likely JYB, but Angie is either Celete's VA or Asahina's VA.

Another great character analysis video here.

Here's an interesting question for you: assuming that Tsumugi told the truth, how morally culpable are the students for the Killing Game?

I ask this because, let's be honest, they have never known a world without Danganronpa. Even if there were multiple seasons per year, it would still have been going on for at least a couple of decades for my reckoning (there's the small matter of when the actual killing started, but we can't really answer that - I'll just throw out a guess and say it became real with the eleventh installment in the series, which was when they stopped given them individual titles).

When you think about it, the brainwashing didn't start when they entered the game - it started when they were born.

They exist in a world where people can be manufactured. Life and death have no meaning at that point.

I think we often lose sight of just how ridiculously over the top the available technology of DGV 3 is.

Although, that then suggests that Tsumugi was likely full of shit, because "what's more likely-that a flashlight can literally program an entire functioning human being, along with super skills, or that this chick is a fucking liar?"

Also, to be clear, it's not a question of implanting memories. That part is easy. But in order to implant memories, you'd have to have that data to begin with. The sheer amount of data involved in making a person from the ground up is staggering.

edited 19th Mar '18 10:57:53 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

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I do believe that Tsumigi wasn't lying and I'd still say the killers were in the wrong/at fault. While their memories are fake and may have influenced their personality I think their choices were all their own.

I was actually talking about them signing up for the whole thing in the first place.

Anyone willingly entering something like that is a first degree murderer.

I mean, obviously it’s wrong, but they’ve likely been raised their entire lives to believe that killing was acceptable in such an environment. Ultimately, I don’t think they know any better.

Edit: To be clear, I’m not trying to say what they did was okay. But I think it’s over-simplifying things to just call them bad people if they’ve never had the opportunity to learn otherwise. The ultimate blame lies with the ones who made it that way.

edited 21st Mar '18 8:05:00 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Except that's inconsistent with how the game views things, isn't it? The game treats the in-universe audience as being culpable for the murders and things going on as long as they did, and since the students were originally part of that audience I don't see why they'd be considered any less responsible.