Manga/ The Promised Neverland

They are children, whatever they eat is what they parents feed them Children are pretty much in most ethic systems not considered responsible for their own actions.

Also, you are misunderstanding there. I never said "Let yourself be eaten alive", I said "genocide is bad". Like as far as we know, demons might die off if all children are freed and safe, but at that points its the children surviving, they aren't actively committing genocide on the demons by protecting themselves.

But I digress, just to note though, my point was that Emma wanting to find another alternative to "kill all demons" isn't a bad thing. Its also not bad thing for her to be disturbed by all the other children not realizing what is wrong about that. If Norman's plan was just "free all children and then get away from demon world" without trying to hasten Demon's demise with civil war and such, I don't think there would be anything wrong with "let demons worry about themselves" position, but Norman's plan is "Let's kill all demons and live in their houses instead"

In general though, I think most ethical behavior assumes that when someone responds towards you with unethical methods, you don't respond back with unethical methods. You don't counter chemical weapons with chemical weapons and so on.

Is Shlugo promoting genocide again? Hrrm.

Edited by Aquaconda on Mar 8th 2019 at 7:48:51 AM

I'm not saying to kill them as a punishment for eating humans. The should be killed to prevent them from eating humans.

Whatever they kill the demons directly, or hide themselves to starve them, the results will be the same, saying that they're totally different is just splitting hair. Not to mention just trying to hide with all the Cattle children would be next to impossible, there's too many of them, and the demons would stop at nothing to find them. Even escaping to the human world would just cause the war to restart.

The facts of the situations are that Demons must eat humans, and humans don't want to be eaten. As long as those two things are true, conflict is inevitable.

Deal with it.

Edited by Shlugo_the_great on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:51:38 PM

I think treating character known her compassion as an idiot for not being on board with genociding a sapient species is a bit ridiculous.

Nah, it's her not getting why people would hate the demons so much that makes her an idiot.

That woman actively engages in the consumption of demons when she has no reason to do so.

At least the demons have a justified reason for eating humans. For her, it’s just twisted payback.

That is genuinly frighting.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 8th 2019 at 6:11:42 AM

The Demons in this series remind me a bit of illithids from D&D. Illithids are brain eating slavers, but the brain eating is at least somewhat justified since they need to keep eating brains to survive as a sapient race. No excuse for the slavery though. And most illithids don't feel any qualms about eating brains anyway.

Edited by M84 on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:15:44 PM

She does understand why people would hate them. That doesn't justify trying kill them all in her mind. She also knows that demons are ultimately eating people to survive.

Aren't Illihids born lawful evil or did they change that?

Edited by Aquaconda on Mar 8th 2019 at 8:20:51 AM

My take on it is Emma understands perfectly well why people hate the demons, why wanting to kill them is a valid reaction. It's why she's been so hesitant to speak up, she knows she's on the minority.

I think what's shaken her is just how fanatically deep that hatred runs.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 8th 2019 at 9:11:48 AM

Musicas past with Lewis needs to be expanded on as well, as they use fractured glass imagery during his death flashback on things that are suggested to be tragic for Lewis while his normal memories were formed fine.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 8th 2019 at 8:41:05 AM

I'm also starting to find Emma's repeated omission of Sonju suspicious… She only ever mentions Musica alone for some reason…

They probably realized why he wanted them saved.

Ithilids are weird in multiple ways though. Like it appears they either came to present from future out outside the universe :P(from aboleth(the fish tentacle mind draining species with genetical memory that goes to genesis of their species) they just appeared one day out of nowhere) Second weird thing is that in their natural life cycle, if their tadpole isn't allowed to burrow into a brain, they grow into gargantuan mindless worm creatures. Which kinda brings question of "Sooo wait, if they NEED to brains to not grow into neothelids, how did elder brain come to exist in first place"

Aka, nothing natural about Ithillids, they are very eldritch and non sensical

There is no real canon consensus on where illithids came from. They just showed up out of the blue one day. Some believe they came from the future. Others believe they are mutated humans. Still others believe they are native to the Far Realm.

And Elder Brains are what happens when an illithid tadpole that undergoes the ceremorphosis becomes the much more rare and powerful ulitharid instead of an illithid. Ulitharids usually splinter off to form new illithid colonies, eventually becoming new elder brains.

Neothelids btw don't stay mindless if they eat a sentient being. Then you have to deal with a gigantic self-aware slug-monster with vast psychic powers.

And we haven't even brought up the lich illithids (alhoons) or the vampire illithids...

And then there's that one ulitharid who became an alhoon and merged with a dying Elder Brain...

Illithids are kind of fucked up.

Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2019 at 1:16:08 AM

I'm not particularly surprised by Emma's reaction. I don't think we're supposed to consider her "normal" in areas like this to begin with.

Anyway, I've made the comparison to Tokyo Ghoul and this discussion brings it up again. There's never a simple solution to it, but I continue to find the insistence that a confrontation like this to actually be black and white very strange. And, no, that's not me saying I would want myself or anyone I'd know to be eaten or that the cattle system isn't horrible.

Emma does understand why the others hate the Demons. She just can't herself.

The only conceivable compromise (which even Norman's so-called allies aren't really interested in) is for the demons to eat humans who died on their own. I'm not sure what diseases they could potentially catch from human meat, but the demons don't eat humans alive, so Norman could offer to turn over all corpses to the demons, while warning that any demons attacking humans will be terminated with extreme prejudice.

^^^Yeah, I take issue with considering it to be black and white "we are good, they are evil" issue.

Interesting nuance in the very last page: the scanlations say "the girl with the cursed blood", but the Japanese and Mangaplus versions say "the girl with the evil blood" (邪血の少女), implying something more sinister about Musica's nature.

Edited by Lyendith on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:08:45 PM

Official translation uses "clan of that evil-blooded girl"

Chapter Out

Okay Norman your plans could be justified before but this is going too far. Murdering an innocent woman is just crossing the line.

Well, Norman is correct; most people don't eat just because they have to. Hell, Sung-jo doesn't need to eat humans anymore but he's still hoping for a day when he'll be able to again.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 15th 2019 at 1:35:24 PM

Well… If my food started talking to me, I sure as hell would think twice before eating it. >.> Killing a sapient being isn't that easy.

Now that opens a whole lot of potential fronts for conflict. There could be a race against the clock between Emma and Norman to find Musica, and if Emma finds her first then Sonju might not agree with her plan… Plus Giran's revolt in the background…

…So Musica is basically Demon Jesus, huh.

"Not everyone thinks with a kind attitude like you Emma"

Wow, Norman not holding back when hitting Emma with a reality check. He teared down her delusions one by one.

If anyone still though that Emma is anything but hopelessly naive, this chapter puts that to rest - it honestly didn't occur to her that demons might not see things the way she does, or that royalty might be more interested in power than peace.

I really feel bad for Emma tho, she still thinks of Sonju as a friend, when he only helped them so he could eat wild human meat again.

I have a feeling Lewis is the one who helped her escape based on the glimpses of the flashback we saw.