I do think that Kraven will become Venom. I think it makes sense. Kraven tries to take down the Spiders with his own strength, gets humiliated, realizes he needs to get an edge over them, and then he goes after the symbiote once it's been removed from Peter.
Plus, this way, Kraven won't be overshadowed or displaced by Venom's presence, which is something I had been worrying about.
Team Rocket Boss.
Yeah, there's a constant problem with having Kraven be a believable threat to Spidey.
At least in a straight up physical fight.
So having Kraven be Venom would be a pretty easy way around that.
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In the comics, he took a lot of strength boosting herbs didn't he?
It seems most adaptations have to give him something else to make him a match.
The Fox cartoon gave him some kind of formula to save his life that made him crazy.
Spectacular straight up turned him into a Beast Man.
He relied a lot more on traps and tech in Ultimate and Marvel's Spider-Man.
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Spectacular Kraven actually did try to fight Spidey man to man but was beaten so then he genetically modified himself to become a beast to match Spidey.
Which was inspired by Ultimate Spider-Man the comic. Ultimate Kraven actually put up less of a fight both times he fought Spidey.
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Ultimate Kraven was basically a Paper Tiger. He talked a big game, sure — his introductory arc was mostly composed of him stalking around and looking all badass — but when it came time to actually fight, he would fold like a cheap suit.
Team Rocket Boss.
Yeah that was the big punchline of the arc.
At least Spectacular Kraven managed to put up a fight both times.
Ultimate Kraven even when transformed didn't last much against the Ultimates or Spider-Man.
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I remember that "fight" with Spidey and the Ultimates. Kraven once again talked big, ("I'm going to eat your heart,") promptly got hit with a stray bolt of lightning, and went down like a stack of bricks. Spider-Man didn't even throw a punch.
Pretty sure that was the last we saw of him until "Death of Spider-Man," where he once again contributed almost nothing.
Team Rocket Boss.
Funnily enough, I could imagine Ultimate Kraven snapping and having a story like Kraven's last Hunt.
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Speaking of, I wonder if we're going to have any influence from Kraven's Last Hunt, where he ends up dying. Don't really see how, though — the whole reason Kraven killed himself was he had accomplished his life's goal of "defeating" Spider-Man (which is why he was so pissed off when they finally brought him back), and I can't really see that happening here.
You could actually do it pretty well if you wanted to get REALLY dark.
- Venom Harry and Peter fight
- Peter defeats Harry Venom with church bells or whatever.
- Kraven and Peter fight as Act II.
- Kraven defeats Peter using treachery and buries him alive.
- Peter is saved by Venom costume.
- Peter gets some horrific revenge on Kraven. Kraven having been hunting other supervillains or otherwise living it up after beating Spider-Man.
- Act III is struggling against Venom urges then the costume joins with someone else instead of Eddie.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 11th 2023 at 11:34:32 AM
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That's dark, all right. Only thing is, how does Miles fit into this?
Miles would probably be the one who would have to save Peter from being consumed by the venom symbiote, probably by force if necessary.
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The trailer kinda hints at that already. The logo being consumed by the symbiote then gets driven away by lightning.
Has Miles ever faced the symbiote before?
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Faced? Yes. But as far as I'm aware he's only been bonded to a symbiote once during the Absolute Carnage run, though it wasn't the Venom symbiote that got its tendrils into Miles.
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x2 Plenty of times in the comics (I believe he was bonded to one during a Venom event but can't remember which), but I'm not sure about other adaptations.
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Edited by Aleistar on Jun 12th 2023 at 10:26:38 AM
My out there theory is that there's going to be more than one Venom.
Harry, as they discover what Norman was up to and yadda yadda have to stop slash save him. But also Peter, as the symbiote takes him over as well. And then, after they think they've resolved everything with Harry and Peter, Kraven gets ahold of the symbiote and become Venom Kraven as the final boss.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Google "big ears"
I mean, 3 venoms sounds fairly likely.
First act: Kraven and peter with the symbiote to close act 1.
Second Act: Harry with venom symbiote after peter gets rid of it.
Third Act: If harry is defeated during the second act, i can see Kraven taking over the venom symbiote as the final boss.
After that my guess is the symbiote either goes back to Harry or bond with Eddie Brock. Spiderman 3 then has Venom be a playable character
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I really like what they're doing with Kraven, to boot. From the intro we get for him, it looks like they're particularly emphasizing the fact that the guy's pretty much a serial killer.
It's an interesting contrast, since that would make him the first primary villain of the series (besides the Roxxon guy, I guess) who isn't an Anti-Villain.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 12th 2023 at 11:29:21 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Think this will probably be a loose mix of Karen's last hunt and the black symbiote saga.
The original adapted devils breath and one more day.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Devil's Breath was a comics storyline? Also, I disagree that the first one adapted OMD. Aunt May's death was inspired by ASM 400, yeah, but not OMD.
Edited by Aleistar on Jun 12th 2023 at 3:17:17 PM
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Yes. It comes from the arc in Brand new day which introduces mr negative. Though ock don't have anything to do with that.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Huh. Thanks for the info.
I remember that arc. It was one of the earliest in BND.
Devil's Breath is actually way deadlier in the comic — a single wiff will turn you into a mummified corpse in seconds — but it's derived from a person's blood, and therefore only affects that person and their immediate blood relatives. It's harmless to everyone else.
Edited by Dracoblade on Jun 12th 2023 at 3:18:58 AM
I gotta say those Sun Wukong Peter and Tokusatsu Miles outfits are pretty strong arguments for me to set the deluxe edition