Fate/Grand Order

Didn't Minase also wrote Ooku and part of Yuga Kshetra, the latter of which was the fourth best received chapter in the game?

As for Apocrypha, the funny thing I noticed is that it is way more popular among newcomers to Fate while a bigger part of the grumbling comes from the folks already familiar with the rest of the franchise.

I've seen people who actively dislike Fate as a whole liking Apocrypha, as a matter of fact, so it must be doing something right.

Well yeah, the more you already know about Fate, the more you realise how daft large parts of the plot are and how many things are shoddy copies of older material. It very much relies on "I've seen this before but done better" not being in effect.

And it definitely relies on not being familiar enough with F/SN to realise that it has gaping plot holes.

Edited by RainehDaze on Aug 5th 2020 at 5:50:30 PM

In regards to Ooku, I'm like 90% certain Nasu co-wrote the Beast III/L bits, given that Beasts are one of the more super duper world shattering lore relevant characters/concepts in FGO that Nasu specifically came up with, he's directly written them in all previous cases, and he's co-credited for Kama/Mara's design.

Edited by Nouct on Aug 5th 2020 at 9:57:27 AM

Apocrypha being a Trainwreck seems like overselling it's flaws even as someone whose watchthrough of it was peppered in negativity.

Also all authors need editors, to help with typos, caution you when you either go to far or don't go far enough or decide writing a visual novel script filled with concepts that are impossible to convey well visually for a 12 episode anime is somehow a good idea.

I was gonna mention Nasu and Last Encore, but I didn't want to trigger Lib

But yes, that one needed a few more drafts. A dozen at least.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 5th 2020 at 1:57:46 PM

The flaws it has are pretty major ones and I was not inclined to be charitable once it started adding inconsistent animation on top of all of that. It had a lot to live up to.

The deadface concept and Hakunon being the "base" HAKUNO bore the most similarity to had so much potential, it kind of offends me how much they wasted it.

That and the random EMIYA suffering, but I guess that's just his M.O.

Edit: Also, Also- Minase isn't the worst thing ever. While Agartha was certainly lacking his character work tends to be pretty decent (Schez in her debut not withstanding) and every author has their bad apples. Plus when we go too far, we have shit like the never ending Sakurai hate and misunderstandings like people claiming Minase wrote LB 2

Edited by Mami on Aug 5th 2020 at 6:15:57 PM

Whenever Emiya is not on Team Mom mode, his destiny is to suffer for our entertainment.

And now you know why he sticks to being Chaldea's main chef

Higashide without supervision made Shinjuku, which is maybe my favorite part of FGO. Higashide with excessive supervision made /Apocrypha, a mediocre story where one of the main problems is the Nasu-mandated protagonist.

Minase without supervision made Agartha, which is all and all terrible. Minase with supervision made Yuga Kshehtra, which is the whole reason why I said "maybe" when talking about Shinjuku.

There's probably point I'm trying to make by pointing this out, but I don't know what it is either. I'm personally more focused in deciding whether my favorite part of FGO so far is Shinjuku or Yuga Kshehtra.

Still hoping for Emiya vs Muramasa to be a thing.

No offence, Comun, but you saying that makes me concerned a bit for Yagu Kshetra, because I found Shinjuku really freaking boring.

Great character interaction, sure, but the plot eeeeeh.

Honestly, I'm just amazed Minase kept his job after writing something that's pretty much porn in a game with zero age control whatsoever.

I like to believe Nasu considered firing Minase but the existence of CCC meant he couldn't do so without looking like a massive hypocrite.

Don't worry, the two run in very opposite directions. Shinjuku is full catering to my tastes while Yuga Kshehtra is what I fell like it's a good story for everyone. Shinjuku is Moriarty's solo show (ft. one Jalter scene) while Yuga Kshehtra is the one where I like almost the entire cast on the same level.

Edited by Comun on Aug 5th 2020 at 1:22:44 PM

Good character interactions can carry a story for me personally.

Really, the big problem with Apocrypha was just that it was too big for the number of volumes it was allotted.

I mean, it was originally an RPG; so having all of the bloat was probably a leftover from that. They probably didn't wanna waste all of the concepts and characters they built up, so they tried to make it coherent in a LN format...with questionable results.

And absolutely nothing can ever salvage whatever decision lead to the dracula muppet.

I forgot that Sieg was shoved into the plot via Nasu mandate. It's really clumsy trying to add a character like that into the kind of plot Apoc was going for, and every plot point used to turn Sieg into a major character in the narrative showed why.

Edited by VeryMelon on Aug 5th 2020 at 11:19:21 AM

It's telling how Sieg actually performs better as a character here in F/GO rather than in his home series.

I'm of the opinion people in this fanbase hold Nasu up to a slightly higher standard than he deserves.

Guy is just human, after all, he'll fuck it up, and it's just fair we recognize when he does rather than try to pin the blame exclusively on someone else.

And I'm guilty of this, too, for a long time I kept exclusively blaming Sakurai for the worst parts of Extella's story.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 5th 2020 at 3:19:22 PM

Nasu's biggest recurring problems seem to be a complexity addiction†, and giving someone a vague suggestion without thinking about it. For instance, Achilles having so many NP's is his fault. But I think Higashide is behind why "get off Chariot" ended up as one of the things.

Though I wonder which of them is behind "stick magic Servant bits in the cardboard cutout" and forgetting to explain why he doesn't spontaneously explode.

† Obviously at its most absurdly evident in Last Encore and also the plotlines to Extella. Also his explanations of time travel and alternate dimensions. Though even KnK is one hell of a headache...

Edited by RainehDaze on Aug 5th 2020 at 7:18:38 PM

Ya know I actually failed to recognize it was you at first Raineh now that you changed your icon. What was that other icon from anyway?

Senki Zesshō Symphogear.

@Raineh: I'll be honest here, I'm still not 100% certain what Proto-Kirei's plan on the fifth movie was supposed to be.