Fate/Grand Order

So a better translation would be "Flower Queen"?

Man, the Cleo gacha was the best worst luck I've had rolling in a very long time. I got her with the last of my leftover quartz from when I bought more combined with my 50 day login bonus after getting 6 extra Vlad, 2-3 other four stars and five non-Cleo five stars.

No? If queen of the night is the name of the flower, the better translation would be Crimson Queen of the Night. Replacing a specific flower name for the generic word "flower" mostly always make titles lamer.

I'm still hoping to see Cao Cao in the game.

Mulan and Yellow Emperor. Come on, Nasu, don't dissapoint me!

When Guan Yu.

When Lui Bei and Zhang Fei are added as well, no way they would add one without the other two.

They are too afraid of his magnificent beard.

All what I am waiting for is proper Daji, with Chang'e and Houyi standing in the second place.

Damn, sick on the final day. Looks like Liz is staying at 2 mats.

I wish I knew more about Chinese Literature (well, classic Chinese literatue), but there's nothing on the Gutenberg Project and the only copies I've found on Amazon might as well cost my soul ;_;

We already have a proper Daji, she wears blue and has a fox tail and bops people with a mirror

That's an improper Daji who doesn't commit nearly as much murder and only manipulates money away from lonely people to give it all to Nasu.

Gold exp is pretty common from the FP gacha.

inb4 koyanskaya just puts on some chinese clothes for the next lostbelt

"the real daji isn't here but i'll try my best to ruin everyone's lives ;)"

Edited by Nouct on Nov 7th 2018 at 1:08:22 AM

Totally forgot who we need - Temujin. Imagine story of the lostbelt taking it's place - fighting, intrigue, drama - and then, wait for it, mongols. They show up from fucking nowhere with no rhyme or reason and take over everything. Just like in real history.

Let's just hope he's not another waif waifu alien like what they did to Attila.

Also, as much as I'd love Guan Yu to be a Servant, so far with the Servants I've seen I get the feeling that someone at Aniplex or Type Moon is afraid of beards, since only evil-aligned or evil-looking characters seem to have them (Blackbeard, both Vlads, etc). And you can't just diss Guan Yu's epic chin-growth. It's practically a part of his heroic legend.

Man, just so long as Genghis isn't turned into a girl I'd loved to see him show up.

I started rolling my tickets because I thought I'd like to see NP2 Abby or another Circe but was going to stop there and within 13 tickets I got two rainbow orbs. First NP3 Achilles and then that Abby. Hurray for impulsiveness.

If he turns out to be Ushi I'm hiring assassins

What's the point in setting up an entire Alternate Universe only to just do the same thing as in real history?

Because there's gotta be some basis in real history or else there's no point in making it an AU in the first place. Just call it original material. It's why some people think that the depictions of some of the Servants are so far off the mark from their historical/mythological origins that they are basically in name only, and might as well just be original characters.

You can change the little details all you want, but the basic story still has to be there. And the Mongol conquest was quite a big deal in history, there's no way you can just ignore or change that.

Edited by danime91 on Nov 7th 2018 at 1:49:21 AM

In case of Altera it's not even in name.

But that just makes the whole point of the Lostbelts moot.

Lostbelts are, as established, timelines where humanity has been stuck in the same status quo, forever. A world of perfect order, of stillness, of no progress or regress, where the word change has lost all its meaning. Order Versus Chaos, if in a less overt manner than, say, SMT.

If the Mongols were to just show up out of nowhere, which would imply that Chaldea had no hand in it, then SIN had the capability of changing, and therefore should never become a Lostbelt.

And even if Chaldea does have a hand in allowing the Mongols to take over China, then that would only bring more questions: how come the Mongols never did that before? Why didn't they just ignored China and went to conquer some other place? If they kept fighting, how come such a war didn't brought forth new advances in science, engeenering and millitary tactics, like in real life wars? How did the Mongolian Empire even survive all this time? Even in real life it dissolved almost almost instantly. If China is the only civilization left in the world, how did the Mongols survive? And if the Mongols survived and were able to regrow into a new world power capable of taking down AU!China, then why would SIN turn into a Lostbelt, if humanity was still clearly capable of growth?

And so on and so on and so on.

Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 7th 2018 at 7:16:11 AM

Just to make things clear, at this point of history the Mongols are yet to appear, what we have are Proto-Mongolian tribes at the hinges of the Chinese Empire, prominently the Xiongnu whose northern half would eventually form the core of the Hunnic horde.

The nomads could simply lie in wait, expecting the exact moment to invade the now weakened empire -thanks to our actions- and pillage and kill across the countryside once the Chinese have no longer the manpower to stop them.

Honestly, I doubt Mongols are not needed here since I feel like they might just adjust what Higashide wrote about China ruled by First Emperor which is that it is a lively but mechanically orderly society to the point of eeriness. orderly. And with him obtaining immortality, that China probably never changed.

Edited by TPPR10 on Nov 7th 2018 at 12:29:49 PM

But did the Chinese had a great influence in the develpment of these early, Proto-Mongolian society and tribes? Because if not, then we just come back to my original point, as the Mongolian Conquest would've happened regardless and would, by the time of the Lostbelt, be in the past.

And there's another problem: if the end of the Lostbelt is brought forth thanks to a element inherent to that Lostbelt, it makes for a thematically weak conclusion.

Let me explain: in all Lostbelts, we, the Chaldea Team, are the forces of chaos. The Crypters are trying to impose a state of perfect, unbending order into the capital-W World. Every time, we invade these worlds, and become the foreign element inside that order that shatter the status quo. It's why the "helpers" are so out of left field, even. If we merely create the circunstamces that brings that world to ruin rather than pulling the trigger ourselves, not only that makes for a thematically weaker chapter in the overall narrative, but dulls the Emotional Torque of the chapter, that is, the entire, metaphysical genocide of a world of innocents for the sake of our survival. At least, that's how I feel.

On the other hand, we could be sent to a crossroad of choosing between stopping the Nomads from butchering the Empire, thus failing in our mission; or to focus on destroying the Lostbelt and restoring the original timeline, allowing the Proto-Mongols to destroy China during the interim.

It would certainly become a low point for Ritsuka once things are done.

Edited by raziel365 on Nov 7th 2018 at 3:02:44 AM