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    Original OP 

since the Military Thread seems to have shifted towards Iran, lets talk about them here, we'll start with some videos children


(Updated April 15 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:22:13 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:38:06 AM

Yeah, but I meant that Iran has a free shot from a diplomatic perspective because, while eliminating Soleimani was ultimately a good thing due to kicking said foreign policy suite in the 'nads, and I'd personally deem him to be hostis humani generis, it was also a crime and a vindication of every Iranian who condemned "Western imperialism."

Edited by Ramidel on Nov 9th 2020 at 3:38:32 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#52: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:40:13 AM

Yeah, assassinating sovereign countries' officials is simply not done, especially not when you're not even at war with said country.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#54: Nov 26th 2020 at 7:17:43 AM

Apparently Thailand’s deporting three men wanted for trying to bomb the Israeli embassy. IIRC one was given a royal pardon.

Analysts think that these men are being released for her.

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#55: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:37:35 AM

From CNN: Iran's top nuclear scientist killed in apparent assassination, state media reports

Iran's top nuclear scientist was reportedly killed Friday in an apparent assassination that the country's foreign minister linked to Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office has not responded to CNN's request for comment.

Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was head of the research center of new technology in the elite Revolutionary Guards. He was considered one of the masterminds of Iran's controversial nuclear program.

Iranian state media said the killing appeared to be an assassination. Photographs from the scene showed a car with its windshield blown in, and the road strewn with glass and blood.

Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif called the death "cowardice — with serious indications of Israeli role."

"Terrorists murdered an eminent Iranian scientist today," he said in a tweet. "This cowardice—with serious indications of Israeli role—shows desperate warmongering of perpetrators Iran calls on int'l community—and especially EU—to end their shameful double standards & condemn this act of state terror."

US President Donald Trump retweeted prominent Israeli journalist Yossi Melman, who wrote: "Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi assassinated in Damavand, east of Tehran according to reports in Iran. He was head of Iran's secret military program and wanted for many years by Mossad. His death is a major psychological and professional blow for Iran."

The Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Major General Mohammad Bagheri warned of "severe revenge" against "the killers" of Fakhrizadeh, state-news agency IRNA reported.

"The assassination of this capable and worthy manager, although it was a bitter and heavy blow to the country's defense complex, but the enemies know that the path started by the martyr Fakhrizadeh will never be stopped," Bagheri said, according to IRNA.

The Trump administration said it is closely monitoring the apparent assassination. The death "would be a big deal," a US official told CNN.

Trita Parsi, the co-founder and executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, said it was not clear who was behind the apparent assassination, but that "there are not that many candidates."

"At the end of the day the only countries that actually have the intent, the motivation and the capacity — and the capacity is really important — really reduces the number of candidates to no more than Israel and potentially the United States," he told CNN's Becky Anderson.

In April 2018, Netanyahu mentioned Fakhrizadeh by name when he unveiled a nuclear archive he said Mossad agents had taken from Tehran. He called him the head of a secret nuclear project called Project Amad. "Remember that name, Fakhrizadeh," Netanyahu told reporters.

Iran began to withdraw from its commitments to the 2015 landmark nuclear deal in 2019, a year after US President Donald Trump pulled out of the agreement and unleashed crippling sanctions on the country.

In the last month, the International Atomic Energy Agency documented several new breaches of the agreement. Earlier this week, Iran said it had begun injecting Uranium Hexafluoride gas into centrifuges at its Natanz facility.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#56: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:34:07 AM

The report's out of Iran regard the assassination is that a machine gun controlled by AI via satellite was used to kill Fakhrizadeh.

Edited by Ominae on Dec 9th 2020 at 5:58:01 AM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#57: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:41:11 AM

[up]Consensus in the military thread was that while it's technically possible, it's also VERY convenient for Iranian security compared to the original account where he was killed by a team of gunmen - and furthermore, given the demonstrable incompetence of said security, there's no real reason why we should trust their word to begin with. (They also may even be trying to blame Fakhrizadeh for his own death to some extent, as apparently he's supposed to have left his bulletproof vehicle to investigate gunfire.)

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#58: Dec 9th 2020 at 7:22:43 AM

Well Iran announced arrests are made.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#59: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:14:27 PM

Are they arresting people while they try to figure out who they want to pin it on?

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#60: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:35:52 PM

AFAIK, they made arrests based on "evidence" and are 100% Mossad is backing the assassins.

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#61: Dec 29th 2020 at 12:33:37 PM

It's real early in the morning, I'm hangry and this showed up on my recommended feed:

And whaddya know, the next video on the list just happened to speak to the fact that I a) did a middle school biology project on the Caspian Sea ecosystem and b) am currently obsessed with artificial animal habitats thanks to getting Planet Zoo on a Steam sale:

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Dec 29th 2020 at 12:48:17 PM

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#62: Dec 30th 2020 at 7:51:13 PM

Iran allocates $150,000 for each family of victims of Ukraine plane crash.

    Article 
DUBAI (Reuters) Iran’s Cabinet on Wednesday allocated $150,000 for the families of each of the 176 victims of a Ukrainian plane shot down in Iranian airspace in January, the official IRNA news agency reported.

Describing Iran’s handling of the situation as “unacceptable”, Ukraine said the amount of compensation should be negotiated and called for those responsible to be brought to justice.

According to the IRNA report, an Iranian government statement said: “The cabinet approved the provision of $150,000 or the equivalent in euros as soon as possible to the families and survivors of each of the victims of the Ukrainian plane crash.”

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have said they accidentally shot down the Ukraine International Airlines plane shortly after takeoff, mistaking it for a missile when tensions with the United States were high.

Ukraine’s foreign ministry said the compensation should be set through talks, taking into account international practice, after establishing the causes of the tragedy and bringing those responsible to justice.

“The Ukrainian side expects from Iran a draft technical report on the circumstances of the aircraft shooting down,” ministry spokesman Oleh Nikolenko said, adding that Iran had yet to implement earlier agreements, without giving details.

“This situation is especially unacceptable, since we are talking about the fate of innocent people,” Nikolenko said.

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne added in an emailed statement that “negotiations on reparations” are the best avenue available “to hold Iran accountable for its actions.”

Canada has played a role as the home of many of the victims on the downed plane.

Iran’s transport minister Mohammad Eslami told state television that the final report on the crash had been sent to the countries participating in the investigation.

Iranian Foreign ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh said an indictment will be issued in less than a month against “those whose negligence caused the accident”, the semi-official news agency Fars reported. Iranian officials have said the case was being handled by a military court.

In a preliminary report in July, Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization blamed a misaligned radar system and lack of communication between the air defence operator and his commanders for the downing of the plane.

Under United Nations rules, Iran retains overall control of the air investigation while the United States and Ukraine are accredited as the countries where the jet was respectively built and operated.

A spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) confirmed by email that it has received the draft report from Iran.

Kathy Fox, chair of the Transportation Safety Board of Canada said her agency will not have access to the report until it is finalized.

Habib Haghjoo, an Iranian-born Canadian who lost his daughter and granddaughter in the crash, said he did not trust the news from Tehran and stressed that his priority is the report.

“They want to wrap it up,” he said of Iran. “We want the truth.”

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#63: Dec 31st 2020 at 2:33:58 AM

Do we know how this compares to compensation in other accidental shoot-down incidents? Though I believe the Iran situation is the first time the airliner was shot down leaving an airport as opposed to crossing/nearing an international border/conflict zone.

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#64: Dec 31st 2020 at 2:45:33 AM

The Ukrainian government paid US$200,000 (now around US$289,000) per victim after accidentally shooting down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 at an exercise in Crimea, back in 2002. The 1996 US-Iran settlement over Iran Air Flight 655 paid out US$300,000 per wage-earning victim (close to US$500,000 today) and about half that per non-wage-earner.

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#65: Dec 31st 2020 at 9:48:17 AM

US defense officials divided over potential for Iranian attack on eve of grim anniversary

The US flew nuclear-capable B-52 bombers to the Middle East Wednesday in the latest show of force meant to deter Iran, as defense officials remain divided over the risk posed by the regime and the Iraq-based militias it supports.

Pentagon officials say the military muscle-flexing is meant to warn Tehran off attacking American interests or personnel in the days surrounding the January 3 anniversary of the Trump administration's assassination of the powerful Iranian leader Gen. Qasem Soleimani.

At the same time, acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller decided Wednesday against a push to extend the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz's deployment to the Persian Gulf, sending it out of the region in an explicit de-escalation signal to Iran, according to a senior defense official.

The conflicting messages could reflect divisions within the Pentagon, where a second senior defense official tells CNN that the current threat level from Iran is the most concerning they have seen since Soleimani's death. Officials cite new intelligence that Iran and allied militias in Iraq may be plotting attacks against US forces in the Middle East. For example, Iran has been moving short range ballistic missiles into Iraq, prompting the US to deploy additional military assets to the region.

Yet others in the Pentagon contend that the threat is being exaggerated, with the first senior defense official — who is directly involved in discussions — telling CNN that there is "not a single piece of corroborating intel" suggesting an attack by Iran may be imminent.

Asked about push back on the threat, another senior military official told CNN, "The intelligence isn't perfect as you know, it never is, but we do see several planning efforts underway and if even some of them are true and they execute they could kill several Americans."

This official went on to say that while nothing is 100%, there are some indications that the posture and messaging by the US has changed Iran's calculus.

"It's all very uncertain right now but we want the Iranians to know that they should not miscalculate and that we are not trying to provoke them and they should not provoke us," the official said.

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif charged Thursday morning that the US was creating a pretext for war.

"Instead of fighting Covid in US, @realDonaldTrump & cohorts waste billions to fly B52s & send armadas to OUR region," Zarif said in a tweet. "Intelligence from Iraq indicate plot to FABRICATE pretext for war. Iran doesn't seek war but will OPENLY & DIRECTLY defend its people, security & vital interests."

President Donald Trump has fueled some of the uncertainty, reportedly asking in a mid-November meeting for military options he could use against Iran. He then threatened Iran after a December 21 attack on the US embassy in Baghdad that senior US officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, attributed to Iraqi militias affiliated with Tehran.

"Our embassy in Baghdad got hit Sunday by several rockets," Trump tweeted from aboard Air Force One after a December 23 White House meeting on Iranian threats. "Three rockets failed to launch. Guess where they were from: IRAN."

Trump then offered "some friendly health advice to Iran: If one American is killed, I will hold Iran responsible. Think it over."

A defense official tells CNN that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley "is paying extremely close attention to the situation. The military doesn't believe an attack is imminent but is taking all precautions to ensure they deter Iran while protecting US forces."

The B-52 flight was the second time this month the Pentagon has sent the nuclear-capable bombers to the region. It follows the Navy's rare December 21 announcement that it had sent a nuclear-powered submarine through the Persian Gulf, accompanied by guided-missile cruisers.

US Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, said in a statement that Wednesday's B-52 flight was meant "to underscore the US military's commitment to regional security and demonstrate a unique ability to rapidly deploy overwhelming combat power on short notice."

Before Miller called back the USS Nimitz, which had been due to leave the Gulf, CENTCOM Commander Gen. Kenneth Mc Kenzie had been pushing to extend the warship's deployment there, in what might have been the longest aircraft carrier deployment in many years, the first senior defense official told CNN.

This official expressed concern that some within the government are painting the situation with Iran as more dire than it actually is and are preoccupied with the potential for retaliatory attacks by Iran to mark the anniversary of Soleimani's assassination.

After Soleimani was killed in Iraq by an American drone strike in January, Iran responded with a major missile attack on US military bases in the region.

Now, intelligence gathered by the US is indicating a "possibly imminent attack" by Iranian-backed militias on US forces in Iraq, although there is no certainty, a defense official tells CNN.

Nonetheless the concern is significant enough that additional protective measures for US troops have been taken, this official and a second defense official tell CNN. Both declined to specify the measures being taken.

Three US defense officials tell CNN that Iran has been moving additional weaponry into Iraq, including short range ballistic missiles, an arsenal that officials believe could be used to strike American targets.

The second senior military official said that the US has intelligence indicating that militia groups have been meeting with elements of Iran's Quds Force, an expeditionary military force that Soleimani previously led, later adding that the US had evidence of militias planning for complex attacks in Iraq that would require Iranian assistance to be successful.

"There has been a number of troubling indications of advanced planning and preparation for attacks in Iraq that appear aimed at US military and US interests," one US defense official said.

Officials stress that there are no plans or any preparations being taken for any offensive action directed at Iran and efforts to reinforce US troops in the region are about deterring attacks, not about conducting a preemptive strike.

God, I really don't want 2021 to start with another fucking pointless war!

Edited by AngrokVa on Dec 31st 2020 at 12:55:40 PM

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#66: Dec 31st 2020 at 10:12:18 AM

we do see several planning efforts underway

I mean no shit, military planners make plans all the time, even if they’ve got no intention of ever executing said plans. Hell considering Trump is known to be looking at war options it makes sense for the Iranians to be making plans for such an eventuality.

I’d be pretty shocked if the US didn’t have planning efforts underway for plans that could kill far more than “several” people.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#67: Jan 6th 2021 at 7:38:18 PM

Iran has a South Korean tanker seized. The Cheonghae Unit is stationed nearby and the US and Seoul are suspecting they want to pressure South Korea to unfreeze any Iranian assets in Seoul.

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#68: Jan 7th 2021 at 4:30:15 AM

Well that sure is taking advantage of the moment.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#69: Jan 7th 2021 at 4:58:04 AM

[up]If you're referring to the Trumpist riot, they actually seized it several days ago.

(Although OTOH, it didn't exactly take a genius to anticipate something like this happening.)

Edited by nrjxll on Jan 7th 2021 at 7:00:02 AM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#70: Jan 10th 2021 at 6:50:35 AM

First Vice Foreign Minister Choi Jong-kun is heading to Iran to engage Tehran to release the oil tanker MT Hankuk Chemi.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#71: Jan 23rd 2021 at 8:39:40 PM

So what do you guys think is the future of the Iranian regime? Does it collapse from a popular uprising a la Sudan? Or does it remain intact with some major changes?

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#72: Feb 14th 2021 at 8:25:37 PM

https://soundcloud.com/popularfrontcast/106-sent-to-death-in-an-iranian-prison

A podcast with Ana Diamond, who was arrested before and accused of being an agent of MI:6.

She's very critical of renegotiation of the JCPIA.

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#73: Feb 14th 2021 at 8:38:10 PM

You don't need to like them to recognize the necessity of detente and opposing nuclear proliferation.

Though it's understandable considering her personal experience.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 14th 2021 at 8:38:33 AM

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#74: Feb 14th 2021 at 9:25:15 PM

I mean, is not just "I dont like it" is how much iran will actually agree with whatever deal US proposed.

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#75: Feb 15th 2021 at 9:57:27 AM

All evidence pointed to Iran complying with the nuclear deal, if they don't comply now it's 100% on the US for lacking a consistent and good faith foreign policy.

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