Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

CSI Hoth

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

Every episode dedicates twenty minutes to figuring out when the crime took place, since the bodies are always frozen.

“It wasn’t me, it was the one armed Wampa!”

Seriously, though, I could definitely see a series focusing on the goings on in the core of the Resistance - since the actual series called Resistance is about someone on the fringes of the organization - featuring Rose as the focus character due to her being the best Everyman we’ve gotten from the organization thus far.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

If we get a Rose series then I hope we get to see more of her sister. I would love to see everything from the perspective of a doomed character.

No, it doesn't. Yes, Rose's sister dies, but Rose herself manages to make a difference, befriend Finn, and even save Finn's life. She's also the one who pretty much says the theme of TLJ in big, bold words: "That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love."

I can't imagine the kind of darkness a Rose Tico story would necessitate, anyway. Outside of the obvious fact that her sister's dead and war's going on.

I really wouldn't think her story would be that dark.

It's fairly typical.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

She has no agency in anything. The character loses everything, gets in a position where she contributes little, goes on a wild goose chase accomplishes nothing in TLJ, and then makes a speech to Finn that completely misses the point before possibly dying. Hers is the story of someone unlikable that loses everything and accomplishes nothing. It’s a "Shaggy Dog" Story. And it’s thoroughly depressing. Even all the loss against the genocidal aliens from another galaxy meant something at the end, led to a victory.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 19th 2019 at 5:00:50 AM

I don't agree remotely with that interpretation, but, okay.

Well Rose's story doesn't have an end yet now does it?

Yes, she does. You aren't using the word "agency" correctly: she chooses to go along with Finn. She makes the plan alongside him and Poe. She even shows him how the war affects the lower class and the slaves on Canto Bight. And then she chooses to save Finn as he attempts a suicide run. She has plenty of agency.

Uh, no, that's not missing the point, that's the entire point of the movie: the fact that it's not hate that will win the war, but love. In fact, Luke uses Kylo's hate to manipulate him into not going after the others and instead distracts him with it. I mean, that's kind of what makes Kylo and Rey different in the first place.

Also, do you somehow think Rose died in the end? Because you are writing as if she did nothing and then died, but she didn't. She accomplishes in TLJ pretty much the same thing that Finn does, but in the end, she manages to save Finn's life. Which isn't nothing. True, she gets injured, but she's still alive.

You just seem to have a massive hate-on for Rose.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:20:18 AM

These constant anti Rose diatribes are only moderately less creepy than the poster who kept going on about how he wanted Rose brutally murdered last year.

We get it, you don't like her. But that doesn't mean you need to rave every time someone says something remotely positive. Its this kind of obsessive negativity that keeps getting Star Wars threads locked.

This came up in the context of Disney rumoring they were going to make a show about her, rather than a rant for the sake of a rant. And my disinterest in such a thing is admittedly spurred by not seeing anywhere the character can go. Others disagree, but here continues to be a plot line I find depressing, not so much because of who she is, but her backstory and her actions and how little they really mean. Maybe I’m not in tune with the fandom and I think stories about Mandalorian gunslingers in the middle of nowhere sound more exciting than this mechanic whose entire backstory is pain and minimal contribution. Because even if the rest of the galaxy is in ongoing war, the fact that they could make a few square blocks a better place is meaningful.

I think that’s it. I want this franchise to stop depressing me with its stories, and Rose’s story...doesn’t exactly go against that grain.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 19th 2019 at 5:30:45 AM

Does it really matter if a spin-off you don't have to watch gets made?

With Rose she actually has the opposite problem Jar-Jar has. Jar-Jar is annoying, Rose is boring (aside from the scene that introduces her).

Making a show about her is a baffling idea, I doubt it's going to be made. Though to be fair, Rose could be a good character in the hands of a good writer. Still, there's plenty of better characters to write about.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:32:23 AM

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

If you think a Rose story is just going to depress you nobody's forcing you to watch it, there's no need to constantly go on about what a bad idea it is. It's also kinda weird to worry about a Rose series being depressing but not a Darth Bane series, which is about a guy becoming a pure evil psychopath and murdering countless people.

X3 - It’s more about supporting the channel doing or not doing it but at this point I don’t think there’s really anything left to discuss without going around in circles.

We don’t know much of anything about Bane, except he does ultimately get what he has coming. Seeing that fall if it’s done well has been used in a lot of really, really good shows. Think Better Call Saul with lightsabers.

Well yeah that kind of story has been done well. But if we're talking depressing stories, then his story will be way bleaker than Rose's. Rose's story isn't finished so there's hope for her. Even if Bane in the series isn't quite as evil as in the books he still will be totally corrupted and die. And his philosophy will goblin to cause lots of suffering. So if you don't want Star Wars to depress you I'd think a Bane series wouldn't help with that. He is way more doomed than Rose is.

Edited by TommyFresh on Feb 19th 2019 at 3:02:05 AM

Beatman was actually the one to reccomend to kill off Rose a while ago.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I know it's a typo, but the idea of Bane's doom being caused by a bunch of goblins made that go from depressing to amusing really fast.

Either way the idea that Bane's story is less depressing than Rose ia ridiculous because Bane is about the flourishment of Evil.

At one point in the book Bane slaughters 2 or 3 children while their father watched to drain his fear & then threatened the daughter of another guy to help him.

Those were two seperate scenarios done on the same planet in less than 20 pages.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

My personal take is that I don't like Rose, and therefore not really care about the possibility of her getting a mini series or whatever.

I can see the appeal to those that want to see the underbelly of the Star Wars universe from the perspective of the average inhabitant.

But I don't really care.

Now what I would LOVE is a series about Finn that adapts his backstory and lets people that have not and will never read the novels know about what the FO did to him and thousands of kids like him, and how he persevered through it all.

Despite what I feel has been a terrible handling of the character on the movie front, Finn remains the character with the most potential among the current cast imo.

Finn would be interesting. That or something that actually focuses on the first batch of actual non-clone recruits in the Empire.

There is also the fact that Darth Bane goes from man that is under a crushing debt mostly created by his drunken father and works his way to eventually topple a sith empire from the inside out. He is the starting point for the Rule of Two.

It would also be great to see his apprentice darth zannah since she uses sorcery and it would be cool to see what the visuals for some of her skill would look like.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

In some ways Darth Bane is a dark reflection of Luke (Which makes it all the more fitting he was played by Hamill in his TCW cameo)

Anyways who do you think should play Darth Bane. I don’t think that Mark Hamill should play him (unless its animated) due to the fact that Bane has a different physique then him. I’ve thought about The Rock but I feel that would be too expensive. Maybe Dave Batista but he’s not exactly happy with Disney right now. What about Vin Diesel?

Edited by Invincibleasshole on Feb 20th 2019 at 7:41:53 AM

You're going to pay a price for every bloody thing you do and everything you don't do. You don't get to choose to not pay a price.

I’ve always though if he appeared in a movie, Hamill should voice Bane behind a mask the same way James Earl Jones voiced masked Vader.

In a tv show, not so much.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.