Netflix Daredevil

I'll take it.

Hmm. They probably won't, and yet I do kind of wonder if they might... The Punisher seems like he might not have a place in the Disney lineup, and he's always been kind of on the outside anyway and it would be cool to see him really let loose on some bad guys that deserve and are maybe not specific to New York, so... Probably not, and yet I wonder...

A kid-friendly Punisher? No, anything but THAT. This is just one of the few characters that does not work without the dark and brutal elements.

That's the opposite of what I was saying. I'm wondering if maybe he's the one show Netflix would keep.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 30th 2018 at 11:06:46 AM

I skipped to the last episode.....and honestly it was fairly conclusive. The heroes are back together, Fisk is defeated for good, and while there are some loose ends I won’t loose sleep

Finally got around to watching season 3 and am on episode 9.

So was Maggie supposed to have been suffering postnatal depression?

Edit. And I got my answer. Never mind.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 30th 2018 at 3:37:01 AM

Ironic how Dex kills the priest in this show when his far more vicious movie counterpart had too much of a conscience to harm a man of the cloth.

They're going to move Frank to Riverdale.

Dread it.

Run from it.

Corporate consolidation arrives all the same.

Please don't toy with my emotions. I might actually die if they had the audacity to make that crossover in live-action.

Edited by Soble on Nov 30th 2018 at 9:59:50 AM

It would not be the first time that he was in their universe

I'm aware. They need to do a live-action version of that.

Punisher ain't cancelled

Edited by Soble on Dec 1st 2018 at 1:53:04 AM

Hmm. More to this season than I thought.

Edited by Soble on Dec 1st 2018 at 2:03:06 AM

So... Episode 4-5. Fisk names the people who put him in jail as his accomplices, and the FBI just immediately, completely buys that? Despite it being the world's most transparent frameup?

I'd heard a lot about how Fisk exerts terrifying levels of control over Nadeem and the FBI during the course of this season, but at the moment Nadeem doesn't particularly difficult to manipulate. His boss was worried about him being a risk for corruption, when she should've worried about him being an idiot.

Dex is interesting, really interesting. It's not often a series both uses an antagonist who is an example of Insane Equals Violent but also plays that insanity and violence sympathetically. Dex is really trying not to fall apart and hurt someone. At least for now, I guess. Dude's both terrifying and tragic, and this is before his inevitable turn into Bullseye.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 6th 2018 at 7:25:02 AM

In Season 3 Matt makes the best kind of fall guy-one who can't defend himself.

Plus the idea of Fisk naming the people who helped get him convicted doesn't mean much. Its a very easy spin to say they were criminals too who turned on him when they saw that the proverbial ship was sinking.

Edited by ArthurEld on Dec 7th 2018 at 10:37:06 AM

Charlie Cox Speaks Out About Daredevil's Cancelation: 'I'm Very Saddened'

No matter what happens, replacing this man would sour me on any Daredevil reboot.

Had their been a fourth season, Amy Rutberg would have wanted to see Marci and Foggy get married.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 16th 2018 at 9:50:50 AM

I would have liked to see a bigger role for Marcy....

I would not have cared for a marriage subplot.

Season 3 episode 8: I'm curious if anyone has theories about this question. What would've happened on Karen's visit to Fisk if Matt had gone with her? What would have happened in that scene if Matt, not Foggy, had been the one to intervene when she brought up Wesley's death and Fisk got up from his seat?

Finally got around to watching the third season. Stupid computer self-combusted the week before it came out.

So, season 3. I find it a really good season, although not the best one.

There's a lot to like here. Character work is stellar, the writing keeps things ramping up at a good pace, despite taking a little while longer than I'd like to finish setting up, camerawork and music have been very well utilized, and quality was consistent throughout the season, which is already more than I could say about Season 2.

One thing I'm none too happy with is that for the entire duration of the time that Matt is going off the rails, he's also characterized using several strawman atheist arguments that I've seen in media before. It doesn't really go anywhere in the end, though, so I don't think it's a major issue. The character has always been heavily connected to religion, after all.

Speaking of things that characters have always been connected to, something else that bothers me is how this is yet another Marvel show where we have the nice cop who is on the side of the heroes, then finds out their department is corrupt and has to team up with the heroes to fight against it. It's a well-executed one this time around, making what is probably my favorite version of this in any Marvel show thus far, but still, it's a trope we're all very familiar with that I would like to see them stop relying on for a while.

My only real criticism of the show is that, for what it's worth, this climax feels the weakest of the three for me. The payoff and climatic battle are not as engrossing and well-executed as the other two seasons', and, for lack of a better way to put it, there's not enough Daredevil. For all the good momentum and buildup the season has going into it's last three episodes, I feel that ultimately the delivery was weak. Fisk being taken down in season 1 was much more satisfying, Daredevil's fight with him then was much more climatic, the stakes felt higher. Here, for all that happened before it, the climax just didn't capitalize as well on the season it was built for. And Matt never really gets to fight with the suit one more time, which is a tiny personal nitpick. Matt also doesn't go around being the hero he's supposed to be, which is a weird complaint to be making since the season focuses so much on the conflict with Fisk, but that I find an important thing to point out, because the "hero" part of the show kinda gets put to the side for this season to focus on that conflict alone.

Ultimately, though, these are all very small complaints, small marks against what is otherwise a very solid season. It doesn't get perfect marks, nor does it get as good marks as the first season, but I think it surpasses the second one. It's a solidly good season all around, and it even makes me like some of the less beloved characters (coughKarencough) a bit more.

It's a pity that the show was cancelled. I can see a few places that could be used as a point to continue from. But I guess we won't see those now, and if that's the case, the show ends on a decent enough place that I'm fine with it. Better than being cut with so many danglig threads like Luke Cage was.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jan 3rd 2019 at 10:33:58 AM

I can agree that, as good as the season was, the final battle between Matt, Fisk, and Bullseye in the penthouse just felt less climactic than Matt squaring off against Fisk in an alleyway after a whole season of buildup, or Matt and Elektra facing off against a nigh-insurmountable horde of ninja on a rooftop.

I'd rank this higher than the rooftop fight. And Bullseye's fighting style is marvelous to see in motion.

It seemed perfectly intact to me when Matt ultimately spared Fisk.

Honestly I thought they tried too hard to build up to it what with Matt for some reason having a ghost Fisk taunting him the whole season.

Edited by Soble on Jan 3rd 2019 at 6:54:49 AM

An underlying problem I had with Season 3 was that I felt like the camera was pulled out too far, almost all the time. There was an intimacy to the camera through the first two seasons that I never really got in Season 3. It took a lot of the impact out of the fights, too— things like Bullseye getting thrown up against that wall, we really needed to be up against that wall with him, instead of just watching it happen.

Should've had crazy Born Again fugue state Matt. Tripping on dragon bones, however they wanted to frame it.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 3rd 2019 at 8:02:41 AM

When I talk about the "Hero" part, I refer to stuff like Matt saving civilians, helping out the people of Hell's Kitchen, that kind of stuff, which we only see once in this season, and even then it directly connects to Fisk either way. That's what I mean when I say that the Hero part of the show got sidelined in favor of the conflict with Kingpin.

But yeah, it would have been nice to have an explanation for Ghost Fisk at some point.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jan 4th 2019 at 9:41:33 AM