Yu-Gi-Oh In General

In other words, he peaked in high school and couldn't cut it in the real world. Maybe he should've stuck to using regular Cyber Dragon instead of blowing all his cards time and time again on Cyber End for style points. Or at least use the less resource heavy Cyber Twin.

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Heh hearing that his depression was caused by constantly losing even to people well below his skill level is funny cause I recall he had one of the best win/lose ratio in the series

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

It was the other way around. Edo beating him and pretty much bullying him in front of millions caused him to get depressed and unable to get his head in the game, and that's caused him to go on a losing streak against a lot of randos. That losing streak caused him to lose his fans and sponsors, causing him to drop out. Turning into Hell Kaiser turned that around, he gained his passion back and started winning every duel until his last, but the whole mindset he had now put him into a self-destructive spiral that ended with him being unable to duel anymore because of the toll the shock collars and Cyber Darks put on his body.

The game Tag Force 3 also has some interesting character stuff with Ryo. It takes place during season 4 with the setup being that you can choose anyone you want to be your partner in the upcoming graduation duel (like the one Judai and Ryo had at the end of season 1, but it's a tag duel). In Hell Kaiser Ryo's storyline if you pick him, he still acts similar as before but a lot more burnt out. As you continue he gets introspective about things, saying how can't go back to respect duels or his past glory anymore and is content with his brother continuing the legacy, that perhaps he was wrong to think he could know his own limitations and caused his own weakness in the pro league, and that even the feeling of having reached the furthest heights he can go (in the duel with Yubel) has faded and after seeing how much Sho and Judai have grown wonders if he foolishly stopped trying improve himself when he still has more to grow. At the end you play your graduation tag duel with him against Edo and Manjoume, and it ends with Ryo saying he that thinks it was naive to for him to think he reached his limits before and now it's his turn to to be the one catching up to Sho and Judai, saying he's going to enter back into pro dueling again with his own league with you by his side.

Ryo's whole arc just foreshadowed what was gonna happen to Judai when you think about it.

They were both at the top of the mountain before suffering a huge fall from grace and abandoned their original ideals and became villains for a while.

And after they turned face again, they have a much introspective and somber view about their professions and take a while to regain their passion.

They even both used evil and corrupted versions of their original deck archetypes. GX was a lot better written than it really got credit for when it first aired.

The nonsensical nature of the first two seasons was entirely deliberate to make the shift in Seasons 3 and 4 all the more impactful.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 17th 2023 at 5:13:08 AM

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Completed the Virtual World arc, and I guess as far as lengthy shonen filler arcs go you can do worse. It finally adapted Kaiba's manga backstory (and then some, admittedly) and there's novelty in even the non-duelists getting duels. When it suddenly went "Surprise!" and brought back Gozaburo to drag the arc out for another three episodes was when it lost me a bit. I get what the writers were going for, painting Noa as a foil to Mokuba who wasn't able to graduate from Love Martyr to Morality Pet but it didn't feel fleshed out enough to land. I was bemused at Gozaburo's attempt at irony utterly failed because he sucks as a duelist; both him and the directing of the penultimate episode paint Exodia Necross as an unstoppable juggernaut but once he gets over his shock it only takes Kaiba a single (situational, albeit an extension of his mill strategies) card to break it because Gozaburo doesn't bother doing anything other than attacking after summoning it.

• All of the Big Five seem to have the kanji for "big" in their names.
• Outside of Daimon, who seemed to have actual skill, even I could pick up on the rest of Big Five being middling duelists. Oshita and Otaki were okay (Otaki would've beaten Anzu had it not been for blatant heart of the cards plot armor), but Ota was only got as fsr as he did because he was smurfing on amateurs and Oka was flat-out bad.
• Kaiba vs. Daimon was my favorite duel of the arc because none of Daimon's cards were blatantly overpowered and the plays he made felt like something an actual player in real life could achieve; all the following duels relied too heavily on big giant boss monsters with a laundry list of convenient, overpowered effects.
• Jonouchi using some of Mai's cards during the tag duel with Yugi was cute.
• Dark Marik going on a jaunt through not-Arsenal Base was random.
• I understand why the anime couldn't show it, but Gozaburo's fate in the manga of committing suicide after Kaiba's hostile takeover and telling him that death is what awaits losers goes a long way towards explaining Kaiba's mindset, even after getting Mind Crushed after the Exodia duel.

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Its rather impressive looking back and realizing how hardcore the show can get

The characters are basically in Hell, several of their friends are dead, and here's Zane battling a demonic being possessing one of their friends while he is about to die as a result of his failing heart.

Impressively even 4Kids didn't censor out Zane's heart condition.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

They literally couldn't. It's one of the major plot points in the series.

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That hasnt stopped them before and I think it was allowed because I THINK that by then Yu Gi Oh GX was airing on either Fox or Cartoon Network which allows more stuff.

Edited by AegisP on May 18th 2023 at 2:31:54 AM

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Ryo's reasoning to turning Hell Kaiser all goes back to what he told Judai during their 2nd duel, that he reached his limit.

What triggered his depression wasn't the loss or Edo embarrassing him(althought its certainly extra baggage), what mattered the most is what Edo said after he defeated him 'Your destiny has already been decided, like this dude lives for dueling and came to a dead end, thats how far he goes.

Then he hits rock bottom and finds himself in underground dueling, those things are deathmatches against an opponent who mocks him for his faillures(Inukai's condition hasn't been confirmed after the duel but its implied he died) so he cannot have honorable duels anymore in any way down there, so he must discard his ideals to surive, victory isn't just a number at this point, if he doesn't win he most likely will die.

He spends then the rest of season 2 testing how far he can go by discarding his ideals, he gets stronger via both discarding his ideals and getting the forbidden side of the cyber style and he gets results, and the last thing he does is leaving due to being bored.

In season 3 as he says during his duel with Yubel, victory or defeat doesn't matter anymore so he decides to find a worthy opponent for his last duel since he will die either way, his progression came at a cost(which due to underground dueling), so it ends full circle with him reaching the limits of his life and inspiring Judai to surpass him just like in the end of season 1.

Keep in mind that during season 2/3 he is his own neutral force despite helping, he just has people he cares about like Fubuki and Judai.

Then in season 4 he randomly washes up in the beach, the heart attacks are retconned to be due to the Cyberdarks, the reason they hurt him is because he kept being stagnant even though the reason he got the cyberdarks in the first place was because he wanted to get stronger.

So he is left being a cripple and deckless just to prop up Sho who is just as useless as ever, great job Yoshida!

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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Feels like your impressive analysis got a bit biased at the end, there.

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Who are you telling that to?

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Banana Fusion Boy is out in Duel Links. Dude is taking the whole thrown into Yuya's body thing remarkably well all things considered.

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x10 That needs to be added to the Fridge Brilliance page. Ironically Zane is the one guy Jaden never defeated.

x4 Couldn't resist (Despite my disdain for the woman).

Why do decent characters suffer Character Derailment while others get the golden child treatment? Running the Asylum while Armed with Canon.

Question: can you choose which slot on the field you play a card to?

I remember in older rulesets you had to play cards from right to left, but I don't know if that's still a thing.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 18th 2023 at 8:06:57 AM

It doesn't seem to be a rule anymore, although it generally didn't matter until the Links appeared, really.

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Can you still have up to 60 cards in a deck? I know before it was 40+ cards, but then someone brought a 100+ card deck to a tournament and they had to restrict it to 40-60. Has that changed since?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 18th 2023 at 8:42:27 AM

40-60 is still the limit. There's also no point in going above that limit unless you're trying to frustrate your opponent into quitting.

Fair. I'm just thinking about how to make a Yu-Gi-Oh fighting game (inspired by the new Guilty Gear character Asuka) and I wanted to make sure I got all my facts straight.

Here's my idea so far:

You play as the human characters from the anime with their pre-set decks, and Monsters, Spells, and Traps appear in front of that character to Attack, Defend, or Activate. It is a 6-button fighting game, with the buttons being ABCDEF. ABCDE inputs correspond to the 5 Monster and Spell/Trap zones and F corresponds to the hand. 236 and 214 special moves correspond to the Extra Deck. 22 special moves correspond to Graveyard effects. Both players have a 40-60 card deck and an up to 15 card Extra Deck.

Both players start with 8,000 Life Points. Both players instantly draw 5 cards with 5 seconds to play Monsters or set Spells/Traps, not able to Attack or activate effects until the Round starts, when they both draw a card. Both players continue drawing 1 card every 5 seconds. If a player loses all of their Life Points or tries to draw with no cards in their deck, they lose the Round. A Match is the best of 3 Rounds.

5 seconds isn't enough time to play monster effects, unless we're talking really simple ones and not taking into account chaining effects.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on May 19th 2023 at 12:24:48 AM

Which 5 seconds are you talking about, the 5 seconds at the start of the Round or the 5 seconds between each Draw?

• You can't activate effects during the 5 seconds at the start of the Round, that time combines the "first turn" of Yu-Gi-Oh which is meant for set-up with the "3, 2, 1, FIGHT" of fighting games meant to prepare the player (and adjust positioning in some games). By making effects not activate during it, I'm making sure it's just a time for passive set-up.

• As for the 5 seconds between Draws, most fighting game moves take one second at most. This would be a fighting game with card game elements, not a card game with Turns. I imagine Chaining effects would be mostly in the form of Counters.

Also, the effects would probably start fairly simple and get more complex with DLC, I think Yugi would be the closest thing this game has to a Shotoclone.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 18th 2023 at 9:35:44 AM

Hmmm, giving it a quick thought, I feel like Jounichi/Joey would be the most suited out of the OG series to be a Shotoclone, just going by the general vibe of the character, as well as their monsters (red-eyes black dragon breath attack working as a Hadouken feels right). Yugi feels a bit more technical, maybe leaning to zoning, and Kaiba would be somewhat slower but very hard hitting (have not seen how he plays in Jump Force to know if he works like taht in comparison to Yugi).

Edited by Shadow-Whisperer on May 18th 2023 at 12:25:20 PM

Red Eyes is a 7-star monster, it would require 2 Tributes to summon in my game system. That makes it more akin to a Super than a more easily spammable special move.

Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress feels more like a Hadouken.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 18th 2023 at 10:39:54 AM

Fair point, if you want to stick close to those aspects of the rules (thought that might just lead to a similar scenario to the real card game, in which practicaly no one used 2 tribute summon cards, since they aren't worth the resources most of the time, while 1 tribute did). Even so, I stand by my idea of Shotoclone Joey, so instead the basic Hadouken could be Baby Dragon, which improves if you manage to resolve Time Wizard.

Edit: As an example about what I mean with the rules, I have played 2 different Yu-Gi-Oh! mods for Slay the Spire, and the most enjoyable was the one that didn't stick so closely to the rules of the TCG, and instead adapted them to StS, since in the other one, big monsters tended to "brick" the hand (like in the old days).

Edited by Shadow-Whisperer on May 19th 2023 at 9:07:00 AM

I don't think that was ever a rule. You could always play cards wherever you want. I know cards were automatically put in slots from left-to-right in old Yu-Gi-Oh video games (and NPC cards were sometimes put right-to-left to mirror your cards, but were usually also left-to-right), but that was just to speed things up because the slots they were in didn't matter at all. And later games changed it to instead put cards in the center slot first and then go center-right > center-left > far-right > far-left, with an option to place your cards manually in case you were playing the like 5 cards that existed at the time that cared what column a card is in.