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ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#42676: May 27th 2020 at 7:58:04 AM

Yeah, it’s occurring to me that Deku lives in a world that’s perfectly set up to keep his secret. He’s insanely lucky that way, and only the abnormally curious or suspicious would even think something’s amiss.

Quirks can be anything and everything, so one could say, sure, his power is actually having a selection of powers he can use and have it still make sense to people. And an explanation of “I don’t know how it works fully, I’m still discovering it” is both plausible in-universe and true at the same time. Like the whole sensing Shigaraki thing could be explained as a danger-sensing Quirk or something.

People are just gonna think he won the Superpower Lottery before they begin think about Quirk transfers, all to his and All Might’s benefit.

At this point if the truth is gonna come out to the wider public, I’m imagining a villain is gonna be responsible for it as a way to try to stir up complications and things within the hero ranks. Maybe the traitor? I don’t know.

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#42677: May 27th 2020 at 8:11:05 AM

That would be acceptable if his displayed powers were in any way related to each other.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 27th 2020 at 11:11:59 AM

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ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#42678: May 27th 2020 at 8:21:39 AM

Why do they have to be related? There could conceivably exist a power that is a grab bag of other powers.

Nothing’s off the table when it comes to a mutation that gives people in-born superpowers; Deku might be seen as improbable considering his history but nobody’s calling impossible on him after Blackwhip, or even after the entrance exam with his mom knowing the doctor diagnosed him as Quirkless originally.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#42679: May 27th 2020 at 8:31:02 AM

According to the anime, his official quirk registry is Super Power, which allows him to use energy to increase the strength of parts or the whole of his body.

Black Whip is a physical manifestation of energy that loosely fits.

Depending on how Float manifests, he could say he's using that same energy to propel himself.

EDIT: In any case, it's highly improbable that all the quirks are going to be able to be explained away like that.

Edited by SalFishFin on May 27th 2020 at 11:39:33 AM

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#42680: May 27th 2020 at 8:36:11 AM

AFO is the only other character with an assortment of quirks unrelated to each other like Deku, and that's a noted plot point in-universe.

Besides them, and now Tomura, there's no other instance of a character suddenly developing completely unrelated quirks.

The fact that it's highly unlikely should make people hella skeptical. So yea, it's kind of weird for people to just shrug it off as if its nothing.

One time sure, but we're supposed to believe he is going to get Six more quirks and nobody is going to make any note how strange it is? Even if you can't figure out that Deku's quirk was transferred, something should tip you off that there's something odd about how he has seven, almost completely unrelated quirks.

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#42681: May 27th 2020 at 8:36:37 AM

Deku being a unique anomaly was accepted because being able to transfer quirks is a completely unknown concept, AFO was mostly in the shadows, and OFA just came across as "Super Strength", so him happening to have a Strength quirk despite all other factors making that seem odd were ignored because how else would he have gotten it? If he starts developing other really weird abilities, with Shiggy having AFO and likely not being nearly so subtle about it going forward, and with the fact that the doctor was researching how to duplicate and apply quirks to other people, I can only imagine the truth is gonna have to come out eventually since the seeming impossibility that Deku got it from elsewhere no longer seems that impossible.

Edited by Alfric on May 27th 2020 at 8:40:21 AM

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#42682: May 27th 2020 at 8:44:12 AM

That people aren't super suspicious is mostly because they do not have the information necessary to BE suspicious. Much about quirks is unknown, even the "by age 4" part is just an observation.

Bakugo was suspicious as hell because he'd known Izuku all his life and definitely knew the kid was Quirkless. He wrote it off initially because the concept of transferring quirks was inconceivable, but AFO's abilities tipped him off.

Shoto is also suspicious, but unlike Bakugo he has no reason to distrust Izuku. However, he can learn crucial parts of the secret via other ways. In particular, Shoto is observant of Izuku. His strange behaviour towards the Hospital may tip Shoto off.

As time goes on, more crucial information will become commonplace. Quirk transfers, multiquirking, but also the Doctor knows (and is captured), and the other quirks may not be as forgiving to explain. Plus, more of Izuku's past may become known to the class, tipping them off. For instance, if Izuku meets dr Tsubasa, would they not learn that he went to see a doctor for his quirklessness?

So far, Izuku has banked hard on the idea that he is a genetic anomaly, but it relies on the ignorance of others, ignorance that will fade as more secrets of quirks become known.

Edited by devak on May 27th 2020 at 5:44:34 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#42683: May 27th 2020 at 9:26:27 AM

I wonder if Deku would even remember Garaki as his old pediatrician. On the one hand, he was five so it's no surprise if he didn't. On the other, that was one of the defining moments of his early life, so it would make sense the man's face would be burned into his memory.

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#42685: May 27th 2020 at 10:44:29 AM

Izuku should just say that his quirk is to manifest new powers over time. It would explain both why his quirk showed up so late and why he gets all these new powers.

sdsaa Since: Jan, 2019
#42686: May 27th 2020 at 11:48:22 AM

I know its late for me to say this since the whole conversation about how horikoshi being a naruto fan aizawa referencing kakashi shirakumo being an obito reference and shirakumo becoming kurogiri is a reference to obito becoming tobi a villain. was already long ago but I have to bring this up for I just realized this obito ended up dying due to taking an attack defending ( as in he shielded him from the blow ) kakashi and that attack disintegrated obito to ash and we have shigaraki who can turn people into ash with his quirk

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42687: May 27th 2020 at 12:18:23 PM

Why do they have to be related? There could conceivably exist a power that is a grab bag of other powers.

Because that's how things work here? Other characters might have Quirks that functionally act as multiple powers, but there's always been a theme or obvious connection to them (i.e. all of Tsuyu's frog stuff, Shoto's two halves just being a reflection of each of his parents' Quirks, etc.). And when that hasn't been the case, it's always been because the subject in question has had multiple, unrelated Quirks.

That being said, I agree with the sentiment that, realistically, he wouldn't have to explain anything. Even if people catch on to the fact that something incredibly strange is going on, there's no in-story reason to assume he would know why that is. We, the audience, know that, but as people sometimes forget the characters don't know everything we do.

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#42688: May 27th 2020 at 12:24:10 PM

Technically, Obito took a blow for Naruto.

[up] Even in-universe it's a weird power though, and while they may not directly interrogate Izuku, i don't believe that there wouldn't be speculation over his quirks, or people wondering if he's somehow a Nomu or related to AFO.

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#42689: May 27th 2020 at 12:33:04 PM

[up][up] Quirks don’t really have hard rules is what I’m saying. Quirks are genetic, and that *most* of the time, people inherit either one of their parents’ Quirks or a combination of them. But we also know that it’s possible for someone to have a Quirk completely unrelated to either parent, and they can take all kinds of diverse forms. Most people only have one power, yes, but that doesn’t mean a Quirk that contains multiple abilities is impossible.

Considering Deku is already breaking a lot of the established ‘rules’ of Quirks with people barely batting an eyelash (manifesting it at 14 instead of 4, etc.), I see no reason in-universe why people can’t rationalize it as just the way his Quirk works.

Quirk Singularity posits that Quirks are getting steadily more powerful and complex anyway. Quirks have very few hardline rules to begin with, and it feels arbitrary limiting what could possibly exist as a Quirk and what can’t to me.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42690: May 27th 2020 at 12:34:25 PM

[up][up]I mean, I'm sure there are ways to find out what's really going on. Quirks are passed on genetically, and we know they can exam them directly. It probably wouldn't be that hard to exam his Quirk Factor and notice he actually has a bunch of them/a bunch of DNA from entirely related people mixed in.

The thing is whether the situation will ever get to the point for something like that.

[up]I feel like people vastly overstate how common his being Quirkless is. We've been given no indication anyone else at the school besides Bakugo knows about that. And it might sound like the kind of the school would know, but none of the faculty have every said anything to actually suggest they do. So it seems less "people know this strange fact, but shrug it off" and more "most of them don't even know it to begin with."

Also, as has just been recently mentioned, the world-at-large does not consider Quirk Singularity Theory to have any actual scientific backing behind it (even though for dramatic reasons, it's probably correct), so you can't use that as a reason people would brush these things off.

But, really, whether or not it would even be technically possible isn't the main point. The main point is that it's something that would grab people's attention (because it already has), and will only continue to do so as develops the other Quirks. Whether or not he can play things off is a different matter from whether people will notice.

Edited by LSBK on May 27th 2020 at 2:47:54 PM

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#42691: May 27th 2020 at 1:15:38 PM

[up] Right, I’m not suggesting Quirk Singularity as reasons that people would accept Izuku. Just saying that one of the reasons why I think people just accept or shrug about Izuku is because Quirks as a whole are effectively unlimited in potential, from their perspective while it’s unusual there’s nothing universe-breaking about the Quirk itself or him not knowing how it works.

For the Quirkless thing, yeah, I’m not saying most characters are taking that into account with the situation. Only Inko and Bakugo know about him being Quirkless originally, I just think that it’s important that Inko’s reaction to Izuku suddenly manifesting one is “I’m glad you have a Quirk after all, just worried about your safety” rather than “That should be impossible, the doctor said you were Quirkless and you’re showing it 10 years late.”

And Bakugo’s kneejerk reaction was to assume Izuku had been hiding it from him for years before he got further context rather than “That should be impossible.”

Edited by ILikeRobots on May 27th 2020 at 1:37:02 AM

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#42692: May 27th 2020 at 2:17:38 PM

Bakugo's reaction to Izuku's quirk is actually "quirks never manifest past age four. It's impossible!", as he sees Izuku throw the ball with OFA. He only later rationalizes that he hid his quirk. Hell, his next line is "Explain yourself, Deku!"

And yea, people don't have the context to really question his quirk blooming late. But when Bakugo learns that quirks can be transferred, he did figure it out. While this isn't necessarily enough for the rest of the class, other facets should start making them piece together that maybe Izuku can steal or otherwise acquire other quirks. Or other facets.

Or the Doctor outs his secret to screw him over. But really, their lack of questioning comes from ignorance, something that will fade as the series delves deeper into quirks.

Or Izuku just tells his friends. Shoto deserves to know, for certain.

Edited by devak on May 27th 2020 at 11:26:19 AM

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#42693: May 27th 2020 at 2:27:35 PM

honestly they could probably explain it away with a mutant stockpile type that just builds up more and more things. tongue

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ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#42694: May 27th 2020 at 2:28:22 PM

[up][up] Huh, you’re right about Bakugo, my mistake.

But then that makes it weird that Inko is chill about it while Bakugo is confused by it and demands an explanation.

Edited by ILikeRobots on May 27th 2020 at 2:28:31 AM

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#42695: May 27th 2020 at 2:32:10 PM

We have to remember that Bakugo has a lot of context that others completely lack. He knows a lot of things that Inko does, but he also was told from the get go that Izuku got his quirk from someone else, and he heard the conversation between All Might and All For One.

Those were the key pieces of info that let him realize the truth.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#42696: May 27th 2020 at 2:35:34 PM

Or Izuku just tells his friends. Shoto deserves to know, for certain.
Early on in the series I thought that one thing Deku could do to set him apart from All Might was actually tell his classmates/closest friends (Todoroki, Uraraka, Ida) about One For All, where All Might kept it tightly secret (other than UA faculty, does anybody know about One For All who either figured it out on their own [Takauchi] or linked to Nana [Gran Torino])?

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#42697: May 27th 2020 at 2:38:28 PM

[up]Mirai/Nighteye knew about it, presumably because, being All Might's sidekick for a time, there was no way Toshinori could keep it a secret from him forever.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#42698: May 27th 2020 at 2:41:46 PM

True. If there's anyone All Might would actively choose to tell it'd be him.

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#42699: May 27th 2020 at 2:51:27 PM

I wonder how Nighteye felt, discovering that is hero is truly falliable.

Must have been hard.

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#42700: May 27th 2020 at 2:53:50 PM

I mean at this point, the only other character who could benefit from knowing is Shoto and maybe Uraraka.

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