My Hero Academia

Sorry, wrong thread.

What would be the best move now for the series?

Edited by Blueace on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:38:34 AM

To be fair, most of the current members of the league only followed Shigaraki because of his alleged relationship to Stain. They don't really care about Shigaraki himself...well, at first they didn't. But that's a very important distinction.

Deku draws people to him because of his heroic spirit and drive to be the best hero he can possibly be. That's real charisma there and it makes perfect sense why people like being around him, and why villains hate him so much.

Shigaraki is, above anything else, antisocial. He was actively against recruiting people because he felt he didn't need anybody, and only relented when Kurogiri convinced him otherwise. Now to his credit, he's realized that he needs the other members in order to survive so he's learned to deal with them for the most part. But yea, it goes back to what Stain and Deku told him. He just...doesn't have their charisma or drive towards their goals. So that might be why people aren't as fond as rooting for him. Hard to root for somebody who's being groomed into the next top guy, but lacks the charisma to make it work. If Shigaraki was a secondary villain, he'd be fine, but as the main villain, he's lacking. Someone mentioned it before, but he's hardly the driving force in the plot, so that influences this too.

Now perhaps Hori's realized this, and this arc is addressing all of that. Because, hilariously, the MLA's disdain towards the League echo a lot of fandom complaints lol. "Why are these bunch of nobodies getting more notoriety than us, despite having none of the knowledge or resources as we do" and Re-Destro himself calls out Shigaraki for having no ambitions or goals for himself. So...who knows.

It's especially noticeable when comparing him to AFO, who had a disturbing amount of charisma. To the point of getting people to worship him.

Edited by M84 on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:59:02 PM

I don't know what ye guys are talking about, this arc has been great

AFO didn't rise to the top based on charisma alone though, since he gained followers by basically doing "charity work" for people who saw their quirks as "curses" and granted the quirkless who saw the very same quirks as "blessings", all without seemingly demanding anything "much" for the act itself,(loyalty), and as the man himself said, he didn't even have to tell people who followed him what to do, as they acted in a way they "imagined" would please and protect "their savior" from anyone who threatened him.

Of course, the times also play a role in his uprising, since it was when quirks was a chaotic thing at that point, and discrimination raged ablaze towards those with them.

How much of that was charisma and how much of it was pre-planned psychological mind games, that he used on desperate people who believed he was "on their side", is up to debate, but that said, Shigaraki differs in that regard to both.

(Speculation galore)

Shigaraki does have a "Charisma" stat which is starting to show, only it is much more genuine than AFO's, due to the utter lack of pre-planned "mind games" behind Shigaraki's actions, as he lacks the grand ambition of "building an empire" that AFO possessed, (and to be be fair, AFO's original motivation isn't much better than Shigaraki's, since he was going straight for the "I want to be the Evil Overlord that's shown in every comic-book in existence", meaning that he's basically doing what he does "for Evil", while Shigaraki does it "For Oblivion", due to him wanting to destroy it all.)

Spinner can get behind that, because of his past experiences have rooted themselves into his mind that a world which still discriminates mutants like himself, might as well be better off destroyed, hence why he decide to become probably the first genuine Shigaraki-supporter the latter ever had.

Of course, there are degrees of devotion within the group, but the majority of members have gotten experiences about the filthy and dark side of the current society, to the point where none of them actually have objected to Shigaraki's goal about destroying it all as of yet. Either due to wanting to see what comes after or perhaps being suicidal enough to not care if the end hits them too. (We don't know what keeps Dabi in the League after all...)

They're apparently fine with it. (Well, Toga wants to hoard some people to "love" first, since the mass-extinction event would destroy them too.)

Which shows that even if Shigaraki isn't thinking as "big" as AFO, he still does have a concrete goal that is just as ambitious and grandiose as the latter's, only it is in the opposite side of the spectrum between "Evil Vs Oblivion".

And "destroying the world" is just something so insanely huge and unimaginable, that it would require insane amounts of work and effort to even try and do so by one single person alone. (Yes, the world is being destroyed as of now in this very moment in real-life, a slow process, but that is due to the efforts of humanity at large and not just one single individual.) And the rest of the LOV are basically there as "shields" to protect Shigaraki until he can pull it off. (Aka, until his "Decay" reaches the point where he just have to reach down and plant his hand on the ground just once to leave the solar-system with one planet less and a bunch of space junk floating in what once was the orbit of earth...maybe the stuff from the moon-landing will still be up there as lone proof of humanity's existence, but that's all.)

(End of speculation.)

Thanks for reading this post all the way through.

Edited by TitanJump on Jul 15th 2019 at 6:35:37 PM

As far as charisma goes, Shigaraki seems to have won over Spinner for whatever that's worth.

And the whole thing with Machia and Ujiko seems to be about addressing how Shigaraki comes off to some.

Note we've already seen this kind of behavior with Toga and Twice in Overhauls arc as well. He told him he believed in them, and they made thenchoice themselves, which also happened to be the one Shigaraki wanted.

AFO's charisma reinforced by the "favors" he did for others was such that people would go after his enemies even without his direct orders.

It was real.

Also, if you're going to subject others to base speculation that you even admit might be annoying, maybe you should just put it in a folder or something.

Edited by M84 on Jul 16th 2019 at 1:17:21 AM

On to something different, Nana told All Might she received OFA from a "black-haired youth". Considering that Nana herself must have been pretty young when she got it, I'd assume they were contemporary in age, and thus could still be alive. So if we're ever going to meet any of the previous holders in the present and not just flashback, it'd probably be him.

This is assuming he wouldn't die for some other reason, like AFO specifically trying to kill all of the previous users.

I noticed this a couple of weeks ago, looking at the comments of this arc and the the two before it, this series have finally reached the point where no matter what an arc is about it'll bore at the least a large minority of its readership. Students, pro-Heroes or villains, large chunks of the fandom is going to complain regardless of who is/not in the spotlight, and that's not even mentioning those who seem to only care about who Dabi is (despite knowing the answer).

Huh we have finally reached that point have we?

So now we have the fans who are generally accepting of everything, the fans with strict preferences & strict aversions, & "fans" looking for whatever reason to complain due to believing the series is crap.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:24:40 AM

It's fandom.

We should be proud, MHA really is that big.

Maybe we'll have ship wars like what tore apart Naruto..... and Bleach...... and why not add in Avatar and Voltron................

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:53:02 AM

plz no.....

I think the decay of most forums and tumblr kinda defanged most shipping wars for now

Fandom, by definition, is trash so this attracting the worse people doesn't surprise me.

After all fan is short for fanatic, even though nowadays it is used so inflated that it merely means "anyone who follows the series at all".

We've already had ship wars, though.

Not to mention that whenever a series comes to an end, the fandom "scatters to the wind" like snow to find a new series to attach itself to...

Edited by TitanJump on Jul 16th 2019 at 5:56:44 PM

Something I will say is that Re-Destro's Quirk is kind of a letdown. I'm fine with brute force powers, but I think I'm starting to agree with the notion that Horikoshi relies on them too much for the big villain of individual arcs.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2019 at 1:23:12 PM

What were you expecting?

Something a little more… tactical, considering the character?

I'm not sure. I figured it would be some strength-enhancing power, but that there would be more to it.

And I guess there kind of is, overall this ability just isn't that interesting.

Super strength is one the simplest abilities to use, so it makes sense to default to it. But yea, it's a pretty boring power for the most part.

Hori should take some cues from Araki for weird and creative powers

As much as I like Araki, he gets a little too crazy with his out there powers sometimes.

I think you also gotta avoid jumping through too many hoops to make something useful as well.