Oh, bother.
The thing is, the far right only ever shows interest and support in things that already have signs that they are their kind of people. Poison goes where poison is welcome.
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That's my point. The far right usually only goes to movements where they can be reasonably sure they won't be immediately kicked out with extreme prejudice.
So if the far right starts openly expressing support for a movement and going so far as to march alongside them...chances are there was something already deeply deeply wrong with said movement.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 10:50:15 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
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When all it takes is "opposition to the current state of affairs" and a lack of centralised organisation to pique the far right's interest, and that's only talking about authentic interest and not external actors seeding it as a means of disruption and control, then you're going to be shutting down a lot.
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The problem with kicking the far-right out is that there is no organized leadership and no people whose mission is to keep unwanted people out of the march (like unions and other organizations have to keep "casseurs" out of their marches).
The problem with the yellow vest movement was from the get go, that it is an "anti" movement. They aren't "for" something. Which means everyone can join them and which is exactly the reason why I am so against it. It is ALWAYS easy to say "I don't want this". A good protest movement should always have a plan and good arguments for a specific position.
For example: I my city there were wide-spread protests against destroying green areas with the excuse that more refugee shelters were needed. To be clear here: The protest was not about "I don't want a refugee shelter here" (even though some newspapers tried to portray it that way), it was about the citizens rightly suspecting that the government was using the refugees as an excuse to finally get to the areas it wanted to turn into (expensive) building land for a while, but always run into an initiative or another. So the movement didn't just go and say "we don't want this", they published a list with areas in the city which already had currently unused buildings on it, to make clear "here, this is a solution, it is a little bit more expensive, but it will protect our green area".
The movement mostly won, btw. Mostly. But the important point is here: It was against something, but it wasn't simply "anti", it looked at the problem, presented an alternative solution and protested for that. If it hadn't done it, the suggestion that it is just an anti-refugee movement might have stuck.
So, the yellow vest either put together a clear goal to march for, or they are just a destructive movement which nobody in their right mind should cheer for.
What you need to know about the anti-yellow vest protest in Paris
It will be the first protest of its kind and aims to stop the violence of some of the more radical yellow vest anti-government demonstrators.
What's the march? Three movements, one of which is called the "red scarfs" (foulards rouges) have come together to organise a “March for Republican Liberties” in Paris on Sunday 27 January.
Laurent Segnis, one of the organisers , a 36 years old jurist, from the outer Paris suburbs, told The Local's columnist John Lichfield: “The Gilets Jaunes have dominated the national conversation for too long. They have legitimate grievances…But nothing justifies their claim to represent the whole people or their desire to tear down the democratic institutions which may be imperfect but protect the weakest most of all.”
Who’s behind the ‘red scarves’ movement?
The main organiser is a group officially called the foulards rouges which was set up by an individual called John Christophe Werner. It has been been joined by other smaller groups, all of whom say they were shocked by the violence of some yellow vest protestors and by calls some have made for the overthrow of state institutions.
What do they want?
Some parts of the movement were initially openly supportive of Emmanuel Macron, but they have since rowed back on backing the embattled president and now say they simply want an end to the unrest that has gripped the country.
“We do not agree with the methods of the yellow vests. We demand that the representatives of the state maintain the state of law,” the movement declares on its website.
How many people will turn out on Sunday for the march?
It is impossible to say but it will almost certainly be much smaller than the tens of thousands who have turned out for the yellow vest demos that have been held every Saturday for the last ten weekends.
Some 26,000 people have declared themselves “interested” and just under 10,000 said they would attend, according to the Facebook page set up for the March to be held on Sunday.
Where will the march take place?
It starts at 2 pm on Sunday January 27 at Place de la République in Paris.
Wait...they want to end the unrest and their solution is to remove even more support from the sitting president?
Okay....
I am torn about this...on the one hand, it is good that they speak up against the right wing groups in the movement. On the other hand, this sounds more and more like we will soon have politics being fought out in the streets of France.
Edited by Swanpride on Jan 25th 2019 at 8:07:15 AM
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Man, French Politics is one hell of a wild ride since the bad old days to the present.
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Just like Swanpride I am a bit worried. Meanwhile I feel a bit excited at the crazy things that may happen now. Which may seem dumb because I can pay my bills and don't demonstrate as a gilet jaune. But I respect why they do what they are doing (well except for the ones who break things and the ones who just hate on foreigners and lgbt+; this is all complicated and confused).
When foreigners criticize the French for doing strikes and demonstrations, I wonder why they don't also do this at home. Maybe only the priviledged criticize that.
I can only speak for Germany, but we are striking and demonstrating all the time. But, you know Germans, we do it orderly. There is a complex set of rules for it.
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Is there something Germans don't have rules for? Just to satisfy my curiosity, I assure you.
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German are pretty much the perfect demostration of lawful alingment, they are one step for being mordons
Frankly…I can't think of anything. Though sometimes we just collectively decide to screw the rules.
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Maybe they put down the rules when they pull up a good beer?
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Well, as Lenin once said, before Germans strike at a rail station, they' ll buy a ticket first.
More protests in Metz on Saturday.
Some peeps shot videos on their phones/cameras (maybe?) of protestors in yellow vests firing firework over gendarmes wearing anti-riot gear.
Oh, bother.
Firing fireworks at cops...smh
Are they trying to incite violence?
Disgusted, but not surprised
Probably. Gets you good footage to share.
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If anything, the gendarmes didn't break ranks and just stared at them.
Between stunts like this, and them inspiring the far-right in Canada to cosplay as them (Nazi/White Nationalist symbols not required, but welcome), I'm really starting to hate these guys.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
And that's not mentioning the many instances of violence against journalists, racism, antisemitism and so on that happen at these protests (but I'm sure they don't count for some reason and the real fascists are the people who disagree with them of course)
On the other side, the longer this takes and depending on the manpower pool of the police, they will start to get more tired and aggressive.
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Obviously, the way to get rid of protesters is not to address their concerns in any way, but to let the violence escalate.
Not in any way except canceling the tax increases that were the source of the protests in the first place, increasing the minimum wage and proposing a national debate on the issues of taxes, the environment, the public sector, democracy...
The rest of their concerns being for Macron to quit; the RIC that would magically solve all of the country's problems despite the fact that nobody votes in France; and a humongous list of contradictory demands related to whatever topic is of interest to any one group of Gilets jaunes (end of mandatory vaccination, getting rid of gay marriage, leaving the EU, immigration, the speed limit, bringing back the monarchy, Maoism, international revolution, the Jews...)
Edited by Nithael on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:05:32 PM
You do know that Macron already addressed the initial demands and scrapped what they were protesting about, right? Now their demand is for Macron to leave office, which has nothing to do with democracy whatsoever. He is the elected leader after all.
In addition, a lot of the people who originally started the movement have now left it because they feel that the next step is to run for office themselves, and because they don't want to be associated with the kind of people which have themselves attached to it.
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Edited by Swanpride on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:08:57 AM
One shouldn't abandon the idea, but one should remove the far-right from the movement.
Kick the far-right out of the march, if need be by turning them over to the cops and assisting the cops in arresting them.
Otherwise they’re treating the Nazis as the lesser evil compared to the neoliberal government they’re protests, Nazis are always the greater evil.
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