Supergirl TV Series

Did that apply to Lucy's actress as well?

So, looks like James will finally get an interesting storyline. Also, does anyone else find the dynamic that Nia has with everyone a bit weird. It feels rushed.

You lost!

I'm not sure about Lockwood as Big Bad without Mercy and Otis yet, since he seems to be grasping at straws, and it would be a real shame if James' scheme to pretending to be a racist to get into the organization turned out to be the push said organization needed to not fall apart.

I'm also not sure about Not-Waller yet, besides the fact that she's very clearly Amanda Waller in everything but name.

I did like the plot of this one, though. I just wish we had a Parasite who lived through an episode. If we ever got a cross-universe crossover villain teamup episode, Parasite would be a perfect villain to face off against Team Flash. Also, I feel like the CW shows could use more non-major recurring villains.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 12th 2018 at 3:50:27 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I actually really like having a villain who doesn't have a big grand masterplan, but rather someone who is just doing whatever they can — and panicking when they fail.

Best kind of villain is the one that has a plan, and is also doing what they can to make it work, not just sitting back and going, "ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU!!!"

Edited by Eagal on Nov 12th 2018 at 5:59:02 AM

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

Forgot to mention, but it's really fun how they worked in J'onn's comics day job as a hardboiled detective. When the guy said he heard J'onn "solves crimes" early on a slow grin hit my face that didn't stop until he put on the fedora at the end.

I feel like a villain like that works best when they’re not the only villain in the plot, and there’s more going on than just the fight against them, so that they’re not just trying to think of something desperate and then getting defeated every episode.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 12th 2018 at 8:16:51 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Remember: we still have Russian Supergirl out there, too.

From what I could find, she's in Kasnia, not Russia.

I don't know if the distinction really matters. I mean, this is Supergirl. They're not using the Red Son storyline by accident.

Edited by Soble on Nov 13th 2018 at 6:26:21 AM

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This will be almost nothing like Red Son, I can guarantee you that.

And the distinction matters in the same way that Maggie's name isn't spelled with a 'y.' One is correct, one isn't.

I mean, is it an alternate universe where Kara was directly raised in Soviet Russia? No. But the parallel of an evil Supergirl raised under a different banner is still there and it's glaring.

Edited by Soble on Nov 13th 2018 at 6:50:33 AM

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...I'm gonna go ahead and guess you never read Red Son.

It's very much not about evil Soviet Superman.

I mean, it very much is about evil Soviet Superman. However, Soviet Superman isn't quite as evil as you think and there are a bunch of other changes that happen to the timeline because of Kal-El landing in the USSR and so on.

Also, there's a twist ending, but that doesn't really matter in terms of the story. Unless you think that Krypton being Earth from the far off future means anything.

It's about hero turns to anti-hero turns to villain turns back to hero again.

If you think that's going to happen here...well you're probably going to be disappointed.

My point is there's a lot of nuance in Red Son that is most likely going to be lost here.

Instead we're most likely going to get Supergirl with an accent trading punches with Kara.

Edited by ArthurEld on Nov 13th 2018 at 12:27:56 PM

The story of Red Son can't happen because it's essentially an Elseworld story and thus features a radically different world than what's on Supergirl. However, the essential character of Soviet Superman can be transplanted into Soviet Supergirl.

Also:

I mean, that's the entire plot, but if you want to simplify it down, it is about an evil Soviet Superman.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 13th 2018 at 9:36:55 AM

So you think we're gonna get a hero who conflicts with Kara over ideological issues?

I will be very surprised if that happens.

One of the key points of Red Son Superman was that he refused to use force to conquer other countries until he was pushed over the edge by two villains.

Why not, we already have one with Agent Liberty.

Another one of the key points was that it didn't take much for him to slide down the slippery slope and become a supreme dictator. If you think all the evil things he did were due to Luthor and Brainiac, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 13th 2018 at 9:38:45 AM

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I don't think this show will have anything half as nuanced.

We'll probably just get a version of Kara who is basically a weapon for Kasnia.

I think we're heading towards a Kara who sees all of the evil in the world, the racism and the xenophobia and the hatred, and doesn't know what to do about it. This could definitely lead to an ideological difference and seeing what Soviet Supergirl does — if she actually is just a weapon or if she tries to be a "servant of the people" or if she tries to rule, like Soviet Superman did — it could definitely provide Kara with a mirror to see what would happen.

That does sound pretty interesting.

But I doubt the writers will actually make that happen.

I mean, this entire season so far has been about ideology, even dedicating an entire episode to showing how Agent Liberty reached his own ideology.

Also, one of the most iconic parts of Red Son is how Luthor ends up defeating Soviet Superman: with a note that says, "Why don't you put the entire world in a bottle?" I could definitely see something like that happening in the show, even if the show, so far, hasn't been that subtle. (Hell, Red Son wasn't that subtle either.)

I really like the fact that Agent Liberty, despite all his Big Bad attire, is still just a regular guy under the mask. He's losing allies pretty quickly and simply isn't prepared for things going out of his control. So I'm really excited to see his next move...

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If he gets desperate, the potential bodycount would be very high.

Wake me up at your own risk.

Honestly, even if he goes down, he's already started something huge.

Next week, we're getting full on riots against aliens. It's bigger than him now.

One Strip! One Strip!

We got ourselves a Luthor https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/16/supergirl-lex-luthor-jon-cryer-arrowverse-casting-announced

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