CW's Flash

I have a theory about Nora. Stay with me here:

Nora was a baby or toddler when the Flash disappears in 2024. If we say that Nora is in her early 20s right now, that means that she's from the 2040s, maybe 2045 or 2046. And we know from Legends of Tomorrow that 2042, the time Zari is from, the United States is under martial law and all metahumans are hunted down by ARGUS. In addition, Nora has referenced "Lightning Lad," a character not from the 2040s, but rather part of the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 3000s.

So let's say that post-2024, metahumans start showing up in larger numbers due to the Crisis. Soon, within five or ten years, ARGUS imposes martial law and begins locking metahumans up. Without Barry, Iris is scared for Nora and what will happen when someone learns about her powers. Instead of merely hiding them, however, she gets the current Legends to move her and Nora to an era where they will be safe: the 3000s, a "golden age for metahumans." This makes Nora angry at Iris, causing conflict.

So...is that too complicated? It incorporates some of the comic's "Iris is from the future" story and the whole "XS is a member of the Legion," too. And it doesn't violate the timeline, even though I don't know if anyone remembers Zari's ARGUS timeline.

Nora's from 30 years in the future so 2048. Not sure how well that works for your theory.

I mean, that still works. It all depends on when the ARGUS future starts and ends.

I figure it's gotta end (or be made to never happen) sometime prior to when Nora's from, 'cause an authoritarian government that rounds up all metahumans seems unlikely to allow a Flash museum to be a thing.

But what if the Flash Museum is from the year 3000 though.

or just closed. The family owns the place, even if they cannot operate it due to politics does not mean it necessarily gets torn down. Its also possible XS is operating as a rogue hero -she is, after all, a speedster. Hard to arrest.

Edited by Izeinsummer on Oct 26th 2018 at 5:18:33 AM

Legends of Tomorrow brought up Zari's backstory recently but very pointedly avoided mentioning the "horrible dystopian future" aspect of it (her plot is now about how she wants to save her family but doing so would wipe her and all the good she's done from existence, even though that doesn't make a lot of sense given the previous season for a variety of reasons), so maybe the Arrowverse would just kindly like us to forget that ARGUS taking over America is even a thing.

Sarah and Zari were looking for loopholes to fix it last we checked, so I guess they could have found one. Though it would be unsatisfying for them to have done it offscreen—especially if the only loophole they were able to find was one that still resulted in Zari's family being screwed over. It would be a good character moment for her, deciding that her family would rather be sacrificed if it meant that Bad Future was averted. Maybe she could even actually talk to them about it. Definitely not something that should be handwaved with "Oh yeah, we took care of that."

The tricky part of trying to change 2042 is doing so in a way that still results in Zari joining the Legends.

Well, since the Waverider is kinda out of time, they could explain it away with the ripple effects not affecting Zari, making her kind of a walking paradoxon, while everything else is changed.

That might be a good way to handle it. Zari becomes quasi-George Baileyed, so that her history and her family's revised history no longer match up, and while she's happy to see them alive and happy, they're no longer quite the same people she knew, giving it a bittersweet quality.

Given the ludicrously drastic changes they made to Martin’s life, the writers could easily explain it as “Zari’s life is changed, but she’s still on the Waverider and doesn’t initially even remember the new information, gradually becoming aware but never really changing” in the exact same way they did Martin.

Preview for today's episode:

Alright. Ralph is finally starting to act like the dude who's supposed to be one of the greatest Detectives in the DC universe.

And since Batman doesn't seem to exist in the Arrowverse, Ralph's got a shot at the top spot for once.

He may already have it:

According to Ralph's page on this very wiki (do we no longer has the This Very Wiki pothole?), Batman has stated that Ralph is better than he is.

Yeah, depending on the story Ralph may or may not be better at detectiving than Batsy, despite Batman’s title of World’s Greatest Detective (which is inaccurate regardless, since Detective Chimp is always depicted as being better than Batman).

Speaking of, Detective Chimp would rock in the Arrowverse. Joining the Legends, maybe?

Wonder who spilled the beans to Nora and the idea of meta-tech is fun. Was that Ragdoll in the preview?

I guess Nora is the queer character they said they were introducing this season. Both Barry and Ollie's kids are some kind of queer, so who wants to bet a future episode of supergirl will reveal kara's future kid is as well?

So what the hell made Bary reverse direction during the fight?

Also holy hell are Barry and Iris bad parents, I mean strait in with the “it’s impossible for us to have been wrong even though we have no idea why we did what we did or even realy what we did”.

Best guess, phone had other powers.

That's on Iris, though it is weird that Barry wasn't curious as to why Iris choose to suppress Nora's speed. What's more, I doubt Iris did it by herself.

Edited by Cross on Oct 30th 2018 at 11:55:40 AM

Whelp this is why we have drama.

Or why the CW forces drama.

It may turn out they were right though, but it's still questionable that they aren't at least trying to find out.

Edit: Looks like the next episode is a belated Halloween episode.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 30th 2018 at 10:00:46 AM

I like the fact that Barry stood up for Iris. Sure, they don't know why she did it — but then again, if you were told that you were going to do something bad in the future, wouldn't you also automatically assume that you had a good reason for doing it? And Iris just suppressed her powers again in order to save Barry, so she naturally assumed that she did in the future for the same reason — to save her.

And she might be right — this definitely looks like it might be heading in the direction of the Legends ARGUS future, where ARGUS arrests and imprisons any metahumans.

or it could be like impulse where he had to live in vr because of unchecked powers, it might have been either that or the chip for nora, and iris chose to actually have her kid have a normal life

Agreed. Barry has been worried about Iris' relationship with Nora this entire time, and he knows that arguing with her in front of Nora won't help. So he decided to back her up instead. Hopefully they will actually make some effort to figure out why she would do something like that, though. ARGUS' bad future is certainly the obvious answer. Nora is still hurting from this discovery (which was relatively recent for her and came from a third party who might not have her best interests at heart), so I can forgive her for not bringing up the anti-metahuman regime. She's being a bit childish about it, insisting that there's no possible good reason, but I'm not gonna blame her for being mad even if we eventually discover that Iris really did have a good reason.

On a happier note, I loved all of the family's interactions this episode, especially the breakfast. Those three really sell it.

Edited by Discar on Oct 30th 2018 at 10:31:12 AM

Nora has been looking for Barry to be the "good parent" to latch onto her and validate her disdain for Iris as the "bad parent." Since doing so would be incredibly unfair to Iris (even more than the situation already is), he chose to stand by his wife instead.

It's a complicated situation: Iris and Barry's "I don't know why she would have done this, but I'm sure she had a good reason" versus Nora's "I don't know why she would have done this, but I'm sure it's because she's the devil." None of them have any what's going on, and are only acting on their assumptions. I can't really say one or the other is "right" here, because they're both pretty wrong.

On an unrelated note, I notice that Nora's scar is in the same place as Cicada's. I wonder if that's going to be a thing.

On another unrelated note, anyone else get the impression that the Ragdoll episode was intended to air this week?