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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#16076: Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:32:50 PM

........ Why Superwoman?

And which one? Like Kara, Lois, Earth-3?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#16077: Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:33:29 PM

No, the actual Superwoman book Jimenez wrote. The one with Lana Lang.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#16078: Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:34:20 PM

Ah.

Yeesh poor him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#16079: Feb 23rd 2021 at 2:47:27 PM

I dont buy it trump supporters would never like a book about a woman with powers

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#16080: Feb 23rd 2021 at 3:53:11 PM

Okay so after Suicide Squad I think Connor got the better appearance in his title than Jon and Kara.

Like he is at least more sympathetic in his problems due to being held-hostage by Waller and his self-esteem issues are pretty sad as he does feel like the black sheep of the family.

And at the end he finally stands up to Waller and Waller reveals her ultimate plan was to entrap Earth-3 with Con so Con can become the hero the world so desperately needs which is a pretty grand destiny, as horrible as Waller is.

So I guess he got the better end of the stick compared to Jon who is portrayed like an absolute loser and Kara's extremely negative portrayal of her.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#16081: Feb 23rd 2021 at 4:58:19 PM

How exactly does one appeal to Trump supporters in a Superwoman comic?

Oh God! Natural light!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#16082: Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:04:59 PM

By being a complete failure of a human being.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16083: Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:13:57 PM

Oh man, this has some pretty ugly implications, namely that at least some degree of reactionary-ism is actual policy at DC.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#16084: Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:22:20 PM

Speaking of reactionary-ism...

Over on Future State: Legion of Super-Heroes #2...it was Imra all along.

More specifically, the people of Titan allowed Imra to leave the collective Titan mind as an unknowing mole to turn essentially everything sideways.

You know, this would've been more impactful if we actually spent more than a page or so with the Titan people... Also Jon came back. With a mustache. Goddamnit, Bendis.

I guess Bendis took our thoughts about Saturn Girl to heart and just made her unwittingly evil all along. Man, he REALLY hates psychics.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 23rd 2021 at 6:38:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#16085: Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:22:33 PM

Wonder if some of these guys got fired during the layoffs.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16086: Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:24:34 PM

[up] Yeah, I'm curious to know who precisely gave this order. I'd suspect Didio just from what I know of his personality, but I don't want to accuse anyone in particular without more evidence.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#16087: Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:20:46 PM

For reference, here is the Instagram post that was mentioned earlier. It's a picture of the first cover of the Superwoman book with the following caption:

    caption 
Ah, #Superwoman. What a strange adventure you were. I had such high hopes for this project — plotted out roughly two years’ worth of stories with Lana and Lois and Steel and Natasha and Traci and Lex and the rest of the gang: love triangles and drug abuse; an exploration of women, friendship, and allyship, and their intersections with race and class; sibling rivalry, stolen credit; and the cost of revenge; burgeoning LGBTQ love; panic and anxiety (reflecting my own experiences); memory, loss, grief; and even the weird relationship between Atomic Skull and Bizzaress (I loved them!) — and so much more. I even developed a healthy supporting cast of regular folk, including a deaf character, tho they never got much play. Alas, my own creative/personal issues, mixed with behind the scenes upheavals/battles and a huge continuity patch to the Superman universe that rendered my first couple of arcs non-canon before they were even finished (and a note from higher ups that we needed to appeal more to Trump voters) wiped me out. I know the first issue caused quite a stir and I sure wish I could have seen the original story to its conclusion (a common story in my last few years at @dccomics, I realize). That said, I never in my life thought I’d ever get to play with Superman or his universe, and it was a great opportunity and a real honor; and got to work with some incredibly fabulous artists; learned so much (even at this age I keep learning!), and I got to write one of my favorite scenes in comics ever — when Lana Lang calls Lex Luther a giant piece of shit. Literally. That little panel made it alllll worth it. 😃

If I had to guess, it might have been more "tone down the leftist story stuff that would turn off Trumpets" than anything, but I didn't read the Superwoman book, so I may be way off base here.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#16088: Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:29:58 PM

Are we talking about the Future State Superwoman book? The one that apparently has Kara being rather envious of her nephew once removed? I ask because it being an attempt to appeal to the far-right seems like it would explain quite a lot.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:30:49 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#16089: Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:34:44 PM

[up] No, we're talking about the Rebirth era Superwoman book from 2016.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#16090: Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:34:49 PM

No they are talking about the DC Rebirth Superwoman book that came out in 2016. [nja]

Well at least Biden won so hopefully that means less of appealing to Trumpists.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:35:26 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#16091: Feb 23rd 2021 at 7:59:51 PM

In other news, here's an explanation of DC's new "Linearverse" introduced in the recent Generations one-shot. I've copied the relevant section of the article in the folder. Spoilers for said one-shot.

    article section 
This brings us to the newest wrinkle (and thanks for bearing with us), the Linearverse.

A separate reality within the brand-new Omniverse, this way of looking at DC's history takes a much simpler approach DC never tried in earnest... until now.

In the Linearverse, characters simply live longer lives than people who don't live in the Linearverse, and this is true for aliens from other worlds like Superman, mythological characters like Wonder Woman, and normal human beings like Batman.

So the same Bruce Wayne whose parents were killed in Crime Alley in the late '20s or early '30s and first took to the streets of Gotham City as a vigilante in 1939 is the same guy still fighting crime in 2021.

Technology advanced, fashion changed, world events like wars and presidential terms passed normally in realtime, but the characters only aged a few years and lived through it and experienced and remember it all.

Like DC's past attempts to make linear of its history, it's not a perfect solution. The aforementioned Barry Allen from 1956 (who is the current Flash) first took the name as an homage to '40s Jay Garrick, who in Allen's world was a comic book character and not a real person.

In the Linearverse, Barry Allen would have to be aware that Jay Garrick really existed when he took the name the Flash because of course, Jay Garrick had adventures with the same Superman Barry did.

And the events like the original Crisis on Infinite Earths wouldn't make sense at all in a reality where there isn't a Multiverse.

As Jurgens explains to Newsarama, the Linearverse is its own unique playground for now. DC's regular ongoing series starring Superman, Batman, the Justice League, Green Lantern, and more will still exist in the greater Omniverse where time theoretically passes normally for the characters despite the fact it doesn't really pass for readers at all.

The Linearverse seems to exist as a storytelling option, to tell specific tales that require or benefit from the premise (for example) the current very serious Batman actually had and remembers his wackier, kid-friendlier science fiction-inspired adventures from the '50s, or that Superman and Batman have been friends for nearly 80 years.

As of now, DC has not announced any plans for more stories set in the Linearverse, but it is a new club in the bag for writers with a story to tell.

Basically, the Linearverse is an alternate universe (not the main books) where people live unusually long lives with long youths, so that a version of the DC Universe exists in real-time. The example in the article is that this version of the Golden Age Batman not only went on his original adventures but also was part of a version of Joker War with no sliding timescale attached.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#16092: Feb 23rd 2021 at 9:34:58 PM

This information from Jiminez makes me wonder if this is the reason the Superwoman book was advertised as a Lois Lane solo only for Lana to be revealed as the true protagonist. Lois has been depicted as the type of person who would be anti-Trump while Lana being more of a blank slate meant you could make her into a pro-Trump person with relatively little controversy.

[up] Sometimes I feel like DC is deliberately making things more complicated.

Why the hell were the Super-books so reactionary?

How were they reactionary?

Edited by windleopard on Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:15:19 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#16093: Feb 24th 2021 at 4:27:34 AM

You ever wonder if the nerds in charge of continuity at these companies just want to give up? They keep trying but the core of it all, the all encompassing CONTINUITY is broken, yet legacy and hardcore fandom won’t let them just jettison it permanently (which is what made their previous reboots fail).

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#16094: Feb 24th 2021 at 7:33:18 AM

Sean McKeever posted a thread sharing some of the stuff he's had to deal with behind-the-scenes.

These include:

  • Having plans for Kid Devil to go through a villain phase and then have a redemption arc nixed to just kill him off.

  • Wanting to make Wendy a villain in Teen Titans.

  • Getting yelled at for "not making Static street enough".

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#16095: Feb 24th 2021 at 7:43:51 AM

[up]Stuff like this is why I don't read modern comics.

FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#16096: Feb 24th 2021 at 8:02:14 AM

"a happy Wonder Girl is a boring Wonder Girl."

-remembers mile long rants that Cassie should have died in Blackest night cause all she is a boring broody girl-

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#16097: Feb 24th 2021 at 8:11:15 AM

DC should just be a creator-owned co-op already >.>

PennyDreadful Since: May, 2010
#16098: Feb 24th 2021 at 11:39:40 AM

[up][up] Sterling Gates said he was fired from Supergirl because the power that be wanted her to be angrier and more edgy. None of this is surprising.

Edited by PennyDreadful on Feb 24th 2021 at 11:39:52 AM

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#16099: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:18:42 PM

 "a happy Wonder Girl is a boring Wonder Girl."

...Then how did Yara Flor happen?

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#16100: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:22:32 PM

[up] In fairness, her FS story (and thus debut) wasn't really sunshine and rainbows. Being something akin to the Orpheus myth with all that entails

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 24th 2021 at 12:23:37 PM


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